Or more likely because he’s not Toby, to which it truly belonged. Remember how Toby, as a clone, was created: Angie and Victor scoured Tyler’s room for genetic material, but when the grew the clone they found a lot of anomalies in its DNA. It was implied that this was the reason a clone of a “Perfectly Normal Boy” would develop superpowers when the original did not. Even if Tyler and Toby are “twins”, it seems that getting gooped by the Chaos Orb won’t give him powers, whether immediately or at all.
To be perfectly honest, if this story proceeds with Power & Glory getting the goop off him without giving him superpowers, I’ll be happy because I really, really like the idea of Tyler being a truly (Badass) Normal.
I’ll leave this one to a coin toss. On one hand Tyler is pretty good at making chaos without the need of superpowers. On the other hand the chaos goo may be having a technically true, but also wrong at the same time… so seeing what it might do would be interesting.
He probably won’t end up with powers of nothing overt.
Badass super normal might negate anything trying to modify him potentially in a way that might give him powers. Some of that goo is falling off him and not doing anything like it’s been rendered inert. He is even leaving a trail.
It had to eliminate his costume in order for his secret to remain a secret, otherwise they’d be going ‘What’s this?! Tyler Marlocke is really Moonshadow?!’
Yes, but this entire plot arc has been foreshadowing it PRETTY HARD and I’m trying to be nice and NOT assume that 50% of this years-long chapter isn’t going to be completely pointless solely because convention demands it. A giant ball of pure, malevolent chaos is practically tailor made for purposes like ‘violating the premise of your story’ so why not at this point.
It’s not because convention demands Tyler not have powers, it’s because it would completely wreck the premise of the comic. It’d be like retooling Superman to be a 90s antihero who swears, drinks, sleeps around, and kills people.
Tyler might temporarily have some side effects from this, but long term? Wouldn’t fit him at all to do so.
Maybe that foreshadowing will culminate in Tyler actively choosing to not get powers, even when P&G offer them. I think that would be a great moment for Tyler character-wise, choosing to reject the people trying to change him of his own volition.
Agree.
And now I wonder if Power & Glory even foresaw Tyler getting splat with the Chaos Orb- not to give him powers, but as a way to get them away from Toby, out of the EDL tower, and as a “stable” (for lack of a better term) form of transport for it to their shop? Lester makes a good point: it’s quite possible for them to be able to get the goop off him, given that hey deal in superpowers.
this imagery is genuinely upsetting. Who was it on the previous page who said something about tyler gaining a costume he can summon? You might be right. This scene is similar to the scene where toby got his costume.
Where did that happen, by the way? I think I must have skipped over it somehow, like I somehow missed the Mr. Extraordinary issue on my first readthrough.
It was speculated before that Power and Glory don’t merely work for Order and Chaos, they ARE entities of Order and Order. In fact someone here even theorized they’re actually Malphast’s parents in disguise based on the clothes they chose to wear in that form.
Does this feel disjointed to anyone else? I actually went back to see what I’d missed, but it seems nothing. Tyler went from saying uh-oh with something looking like it might hit him, to the other people talking about needing to find him, to Tyler covered in chaos goop.
It feels like it needs scenes of Tyler getting hit, then having him somewhere in the background while they look for him, and then actually showing them finding him.
I went back, too, and I think what happened was to prevent the chaos ball from entering the wards and going back to Toby, he threw a batarang analog at it. Something based on a boomerang but instead of being shaped like a bat, shaped like a crescent moon and therefore possibly retaining more boomerang-like qualities.
He then remembered – as he looked at it coming back toward him – what boomerangs are famously known for, so “Uh-oh.”
The next page, off-panel, someone’s moaning like something hit him.
Two comics prior, we have Tyler saying “uh-oh” as he realizes the boomerang he threw at the chaos slime will *come back*. Last comic, we get the older guy (don’t remember his name) saying he knows Tyler will be found at this location because of guy’s ability. This comic Tyler wanders out, covered in goop. It’s very safe to assume he got hit and then fell behind the bush.
It’d be easier to jump from point A to C if the pages were delivered more closely together, but such as it is.
This makes me think of Venom for some reason. Yeah, I know that has a different origin, but the outcome looks like it might be similar. Hmm I wonder what Malfast’s take is on this.
Plots do often retread the same ground so him even temporarily getting a third duplicate is likely. We might get another of him walking out the bushes. Given his time travel we know intricate plots are possible in this comic.
There actually WAS a third one.. temporarily. The one Toby whipped up so people wouldn’t notice Tyler was gone. (nobody asked anyway). The unstable one.
Throw my hat into the ring with the idea that the Chaos-goo will become a Venom-like symbiote. This will keep Tyler mostly-normal, gaining symbiote abilities for a short while, and eventually losing it and becoming super-Normal again.
I still say that Tyler’s real power is Fate: Fated to always be at the right place at the right time with the right friends / enemies / tools he will need to fulfill his destiny and come away relatively-unscathed.
In the RPG supplement, Tyler had about the same build points allocated to powers as Polly or Bernard. Most of those points were in his gadgets, but about 10% went into “Lucky Boy”, which lets him roll dice for beneficial coincidences at GM discretion. He’s got about a 50% chance of getting some kind of lucky break every time (and just under a 5% chance of something miraculously improbable happening). Based on the point cost, his luck is roughly as valuable as Julie’s invulnerability, so it should make things break in his favor as often as her power lets her shrug off something that would hurt a normal kid.
So, yes, although the supplement isn’t exactly canon, it sort of does show Tyler as having the power you describe.
How long until the graphic saying updated Mon, Wed and Fri is changed to “Updated once a month or so”?
The comic is getting very disjointed and it does seem like we are missing pages that maybe patreon readers are getting but we are not.
Probably sometime after they remove the link to the Nodwick postings that wrapped some years ago. The site needs work, but the time and money aren’t there.
So my prediction was off in the first part: instead of Tyler stripping off his goop-covered costume, the goop very conveniently rapidly ate/covered the costume.
Nevertheless, here’s Tyler, right where Lester’s prediction said he would be, despite the fact that they were going after Moonshadow, the last one seen with the orb.
We’re still at: “Well, looks like Moonshadow got away. And, by an odd coincidence, here’s Tyler, obviously not a superhero. Oh, well.” And then they don’t think about it too hard.
Well, they knew Tyler was going to be there somehow. And the last they last Moonshadow, he was swinging away.
My question is, who gets our symbiote-with-the-numbers-filed-down after Tyler rejects it? Unlike Peter Parker, he doesn’t have a rival like Eddie Brock and his bully/tormentor (whether Charles or Zodon) already have powers.
There is supposed to be hero’s patrolling everywhere in Wonderburgh so I doubt they could get far. A kid covered in a weird goo and no sign of clothing being frogmarched by his costumed enemy and a known villain. How good is there directions for getting to P&G while avoiding everyone. (Insert a three person metal gear solid montage here)
Well, I think you make a good point. There are going to be many different surveillance cameras around this location, as well as the patrolling superheroes. (Which would be interesting, trying to work out how the different government forces and the super groups work together to patrol the cities.) There are a few things working in their favor, though. First off, each one has a way to go undetected. Lester is just an ordinary guy, so he’s good. Sarah can shift into any shape, so getting by undetected should be fine for her. And according to speculation in the comments, Tyler has some sort of force or power that keeps him from being noticed (allowing Moonshadow to work.)
Another thing to consider is that the place that they are most likely going to, P&Gs, has lots of juju around them. They have apparently random communications that even P&G don’t know about (the fortune cookie, for instance), and something that can teleport people to their intended location without them noticing. So if they want Tyler, which they apparently do, then they probably have the power to get him, chaos goo and all, to the shop without people noticing.
“It’s amazing what people will overlook even when it’s right in front of them.”
Opposite viewpoint: Wonderburg could now be so full of metahumans and related phenomenon that seeing a kid covered in weird goo being helped by a super and an ex-villain would seem less suspicion than a pizza delivery guy who says he got lost. So even if there are tons of security and surveillance devices around the EDL base, Tyler being covered in goop would be treated as nothing special, especially after coming from a birthday party filled with games and activities for metahuman children. Heh, knowing Tyler’s parents, I’d even say it’s possible for them to see him covered in the goop and think, “Yes! Tyler is finally getting super powers. This is his origin. Carry on!”
I agree that P&G probably have measures to get Tyler and the chaos goo to them without interference. Even their ability to plan- foreseeing when and where Sarah and Lester have to be to deliver Tyler to them- is immensely powerful and makes it extremely likely for the duo to get Tyler to them successfully.
Interesting question: If Tyler’s superpower is not to be affected by superpowers (at least too much), and the chaos-gunk is trying to give him a superpower, that’s going to be one frustrated clump of gunk, right?
Given that the Symbiote was a feeding-on-rage parasite (and needing chemicals from Eddie Brook’s cancer to sustain it’s life without killing the host), and given that the Symbiote gained powers from Spidey and gave them to Eddie (and as well to it’s offsprings’ hosts) while being worn, I have to disagree.
True: The Symbiote was angry and frustrated about being rejected, but that wasn’t a plot topic back then.
I was wondering if anyone was gonna mention it. I guess this is where we get the Venom and Carnage analogs? Well, Venom to be sure; Carnage was a straight-up psycho-child of the 90s comic scene, IIRC, and probably wont show-up here.
For me what makes this so disturbing is that at least 2 adults (or 1 adult and 1 teen?) are willing to trade/sell a kid for their own profit. (Jury is out on what Toby was intending except that he thought it would be helping Tyler).
He will now change his last name to Atreides.
What’s that reference from?
Dune, I presume.
Agreed. That skin is CERTAINLY not his own
Yea but he doesn’t look at all like James Macavoy (played Leto II in the children of dune syfy mini series)
Eeew, chaos slime everywhere.
So, I’d guess the chaos wants him, really bad, but can’t have him because he is super-superpowerless.
Or more likely because he’s not Toby, to which it truly belonged. Remember how Toby, as a clone, was created: Angie and Victor scoured Tyler’s room for genetic material, but when the grew the clone they found a lot of anomalies in its DNA. It was implied that this was the reason a clone of a “Perfectly Normal Boy” would develop superpowers when the original did not. Even if Tyler and Toby are “twins”, it seems that getting gooped by the Chaos Orb won’t give him powers, whether immediately or at all.
To be perfectly honest, if this story proceeds with Power & Glory getting the goop off him without giving him superpowers, I’ll be happy because I really, really like the idea of Tyler being a truly (Badass) Normal.
I’ll leave this one to a coin toss. On one hand Tyler is pretty good at making chaos without the need of superpowers. On the other hand the chaos goo may be having a technically true, but also wrong at the same time… so seeing what it might do would be interesting.
He probably won’t end up with powers of nothing overt.
Badass super normal might negate anything trying to modify him potentially in a way that might give him powers. Some of that goo is falling off him and not doing anything like it’s been rendered inert. He is even leaving a trail.
It consumed his costume? I guess he will want a replacement costume or clothes from Power and Glory then.
It shouldn’t matter. The revenant has copies of his costume. I think the main point is that since the costume is gone is identity is still safe.
It had to eliminate his costume in order for his secret to remain a secret, otherwise they’d be going ‘What’s this?! Tyler Marlocke is really Moonshadow?!’
Just half a helmet left.
Moonshadow died again.
Despite reputaion, Moonshadow does NOT have impossible to control super darkness powers.
Just saying that aloud since it might stop being accurate pretty soon.
Doubtful. It’s part of the central premise of the comic that Tyler doesn’t have powers.
True. Now, a super powered suit, well…
Yes, but this entire plot arc has been foreshadowing it PRETTY HARD and I’m trying to be nice and NOT assume that 50% of this years-long chapter isn’t going to be completely pointless solely because convention demands it. A giant ball of pure, malevolent chaos is practically tailor made for purposes like ‘violating the premise of your story’ so why not at this point.
It’s not because convention demands Tyler not have powers, it’s because it would completely wreck the premise of the comic. It’d be like retooling Superman to be a 90s antihero who swears, drinks, sleeps around, and kills people.
Tyler might temporarily have some side effects from this, but long term? Wouldn’t fit him at all to do so.
Maybe that foreshadowing will culminate in Tyler actively choosing to not get powers, even when P&G offer them. I think that would be a great moment for Tyler character-wise, choosing to reject the people trying to change him of his own volition.
Agree.
And now I wonder if Power & Glory even foresaw Tyler getting splat with the Chaos Orb- not to give him powers, but as a way to get them away from Toby, out of the EDL tower, and as a “stable” (for lack of a better term) form of transport for it to their shop? Lester makes a good point: it’s quite possible for them to be able to get the goop off him, given that hey deal in superpowers.
They wanted Tyler apparently so they could scrape the chaos of him, that’s what they really wanted. I wonder if they have an order aligned spatula.
My boy!
this imagery is genuinely upsetting. Who was it on the previous page who said something about tyler gaining a costume he can summon? You might be right. This scene is similar to the scene where toby got his costume.
Where did that happen, by the way? I think I must have skipped over it somehow, like I somehow missed the Mr. Extraordinary issue on my first readthrough.
http://ps238.nodwick.com/comic/01202012/
Now the only thing I can think about is Venom, for some reason.
Me too.
We think Venom is a great idea…
Crack theory: Power and Glory really wants the chaos slime. They just knew that Tyler had to be covered in it in order for them to get the slime.
That’s quite plausible. I wonder who they work for, though?
I’m guessing that they work for order. Exactly who in there ranks though, I don’t know.
It was speculated before that Power and Glory don’t merely work for Order and Chaos, they ARE entities of Order and Order. In fact someone here even theorized they’re actually Malphast’s parents in disguise based on the clothes they chose to wear in that form.
Does this feel disjointed to anyone else? I actually went back to see what I’d missed, but it seems nothing. Tyler went from saying uh-oh with something looking like it might hit him, to the other people talking about needing to find him, to Tyler covered in chaos goop.
It feels like it needs scenes of Tyler getting hit, then having him somewhere in the background while they look for him, and then actually showing them finding him.
I went back, too, and I think what happened was to prevent the chaos ball from entering the wards and going back to Toby, he threw a batarang analog at it. Something based on a boomerang but instead of being shaped like a bat, shaped like a crescent moon and therefore possibly retaining more boomerang-like qualities.
He then remembered – as he looked at it coming back toward him – what boomerangs are famously known for, so “Uh-oh.”
The next page, off-panel, someone’s moaning like something hit him.
I dunno, the last scene was of him going uh-oh while a CHAOS LADEN BOOMERANG was coming at him. I like to think we can assume what happens next.
Two comics prior, we have Tyler saying “uh-oh” as he realizes the boomerang he threw at the chaos slime will *come back*. Last comic, we get the older guy (don’t remember his name) saying he knows Tyler will be found at this location because of guy’s ability. This comic Tyler wanders out, covered in goop. It’s very safe to assume he got hit and then fell behind the bush.
It’d be easier to jump from point A to C if the pages were delivered more closely together, but such as it is.
This makes me think of Venom for some reason. Yeah, I know that has a different origin, but the outcome looks like it might be similar. Hmm I wonder what Malfast’s take is on this.
So will Tyler have a third, triplet brother now?
Plots do often retread the same ground so him even temporarily getting a third duplicate is likely. We might get another of him walking out the bushes. Given his time travel we know intricate plots are possible in this comic.
Tyler #3, “Tommy,” winds up having EVEN MORE POWERS THAN TOBY, leading to a second ongoing jealousy arc.
There actually WAS a third one.. temporarily. The one Toby whipped up so people wouldn’t notice Tyler was gone. (nobody asked anyway). The unstable one.
I wonder what else the Revenant is doing while he makes this phone call?
I’m fairly sure that’s Cecil, actually. Only he would call Tyler “Agent Marlocke”.
Yes; Cecil was the one talking to him about the boomerang as it was arcing around despite being covered in chaos.
Throw my hat into the ring with the idea that the Chaos-goo will become a Venom-like symbiote. This will keep Tyler mostly-normal, gaining symbiote abilities for a short while, and eventually losing it and becoming super-Normal again.
I still say that Tyler’s real power is Fate: Fated to always be at the right place at the right time with the right friends / enemies / tools he will need to fulfill his destiny and come away relatively-unscathed.
If so, I’m guessing it’s going to be chaos symbiote costume for sale at Power & Glory.
In the RPG supplement, Tyler had about the same build points allocated to powers as Polly or Bernard. Most of those points were in his gadgets, but about 10% went into “Lucky Boy”, which lets him roll dice for beneficial coincidences at GM discretion. He’s got about a 50% chance of getting some kind of lucky break every time (and just under a 5% chance of something miraculously improbable happening). Based on the point cost, his luck is roughly as valuable as Julie’s invulnerability, so it should make things break in his favor as often as her power lets her shrug off something that would hurt a normal kid.
So, yes, although the supplement isn’t exactly canon, it sort of does show Tyler as having the power you describe.
How long until the graphic saying updated Mon, Wed and Fri is changed to “Updated once a month or so”?
The comic is getting very disjointed and it does seem like we are missing pages that maybe patreon readers are getting but we are not.
I know it is a free comic, but it sucks a bit.
Probably sometime after they remove the link to the Nodwick postings that wrapped some years ago. The site needs work, but the time and money aren’t there.
The schedule includes USOM and FFN.
So my prediction was off in the first part: instead of Tyler stripping off his goop-covered costume, the goop very conveniently rapidly ate/covered the costume.
Nevertheless, here’s Tyler, right where Lester’s prediction said he would be, despite the fact that they were going after Moonshadow, the last one seen with the orb.
We’re still at: “Well, looks like Moonshadow got away. And, by an odd coincidence, here’s Tyler, obviously not a superhero. Oh, well.” And then they don’t think about it too hard.
Well, they knew Tyler was going to be there somehow. And the last they last Moonshadow, he was swinging away.
My question is, who gets our symbiote-with-the-numbers-filed-down after Tyler rejects it? Unlike Peter Parker, he doesn’t have a rival like Eddie Brock and his bully/tormentor (whether Charles or Zodon) already have powers.
Time-travel shenanigans from way back in the story imply Tyler/Moon Shadow *never* gets powers.
There is supposed to be hero’s patrolling everywhere in Wonderburgh so I doubt they could get far. A kid covered in a weird goo and no sign of clothing being frogmarched by his costumed enemy and a known villain. How good is there directions for getting to P&G while avoiding everyone. (Insert a three person metal gear solid montage here)
Well, I think you make a good point. There are going to be many different surveillance cameras around this location, as well as the patrolling superheroes. (Which would be interesting, trying to work out how the different government forces and the super groups work together to patrol the cities.) There are a few things working in their favor, though. First off, each one has a way to go undetected. Lester is just an ordinary guy, so he’s good. Sarah can shift into any shape, so getting by undetected should be fine for her. And according to speculation in the comments, Tyler has some sort of force or power that keeps him from being noticed (allowing Moonshadow to work.)
Another thing to consider is that the place that they are most likely going to, P&Gs, has lots of juju around them. They have apparently random communications that even P&G don’t know about (the fortune cookie, for instance), and something that can teleport people to their intended location without them noticing. So if they want Tyler, which they apparently do, then they probably have the power to get him, chaos goo and all, to the shop without people noticing.
“It’s amazing what people will overlook even when it’s right in front of them.”
Opposite viewpoint: Wonderburg could now be so full of metahumans and related phenomenon that seeing a kid covered in weird goo being helped by a super and an ex-villain would seem less suspicion than a pizza delivery guy who says he got lost. So even if there are tons of security and surveillance devices around the EDL base, Tyler being covered in goop would be treated as nothing special, especially after coming from a birthday party filled with games and activities for metahuman children. Heh, knowing Tyler’s parents, I’d even say it’s possible for them to see him covered in the goop and think, “Yes! Tyler is finally getting super powers. This is his origin. Carry on!”
I agree that P&G probably have measures to get Tyler and the chaos goo to them without interference. Even their ability to plan- foreseeing when and where Sarah and Lester have to be to deliver Tyler to them- is immensely powerful and makes it extremely likely for the duo to get Tyler to them successfully.
Interesting question: If Tyler’s superpower is not to be affected by superpowers (at least too much), and the chaos-gunk is trying to give him a superpower, that’s going to be one frustrated clump of gunk, right?
Given that’s what happened with the symbiote and Peter Parker, I’d say it’s one of the major reasons people are invoking Venom.
Given that the Symbiote was a feeding-on-rage parasite (and needing chemicals from Eddie Brook’s cancer to sustain it’s life without killing the host), and given that the Symbiote gained powers from Spidey and gave them to Eddie (and as well to it’s offsprings’ hosts) while being worn, I have to disagree.
True: The Symbiote was angry and frustrated about being rejected, but that wasn’t a plot topic back then.
I was wondering if anyone was gonna mention it. I guess this is where we get the Venom and Carnage analogs? Well, Venom to be sure; Carnage was a straight-up psycho-child of the 90s comic scene, IIRC, and probably wont show-up here.
For me what makes this so disturbing is that at least 2 adults (or 1 adult and 1 teen?) are willing to trade/sell a kid for their own profit. (Jury is out on what Toby was intending except that he thought it would be helping Tyler).
I still think ‘superpowers for Tyler’ meant the cost was figuring out how to empower Tyler.