Wow. That’s a lot of eyes.
That clinches it; whatever 84 is looking for, it involves a trick question. My first guess is that she is looking for the letter I.
Many eyes in the room, none that I can see are just called “the eye”, you have the “all seeing eye” illuminati, the “eye of ra” Egypt, the “eye of Merlin”, an eye from the statue from the old first edition d&d book covers (trying to remember which book) it’s in the case below the painting of the “doctor’s eyes”, the glasses on the bench probably “eyes of hawk vision” or some such from D&D, NOTE: knitting needles to not have eyes. Ok, that’s enough for me, can’t wait to see what it ends up being.
She has super-strength.
Pick up the building, hold it aloft, and wait to be snapped back to Reality.
Ideal outcome: “Hmmm, technically you DID bring me the Eye and you’ll make a good Opponent — after you get a bit more seasoning. I’ll be back in a century.”
As pointed out last page, that wordplay wouldn’t make sense in any of the languages Kodashi or Veles would have spoken, and it would be really out of character for Kodashi to build a big magic setup like this for a journey of self discovery.
Also Baba Yaga said that the eye was called just that, nothing else. Where as Julie has a great many other things she is called.
Wow… all those traps with trick questions and specific wording phrases and counter loop hole traps…. Just to have the last one be a giant screw ball attack.
Want an “eye” little girl? Have all the “eyes” except this one!
Out of all the things there, for some reason the coatrack gets my attention. It’s probably there just as a Doctor Who reference (there’s *always* a coatrack in the TARDIS), but for some reason I’m trying to think of a pun/joke with eye that would apply.
A nice way to demonstrate the fallacy behind the “needle in a haystack” saying. You don’t hide a needle in a haystack, that’s silly. You hide it in a pile of other needles.
That’s assuming you are hiding a particular needle, whereas in the phrases context you are looking for any needle, thus a needlestack would be a jackpot rather than something hard to find needles in.
I heard once that there was an actual gate in the middle east (Not sure where), that was called the “Eye of the needle”. It was too small for a camel to travel through. Maybe the door itself is the eye?
Also, Does this look like the room of requirement’s younger brother? (The Harry Potter glasses may be an issue.)
“The Eye of the Needle” reference is in the New Testament when Christ tells His Apostles, “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven.” Some scholars feel this refers to one of the gates of Jerusalem that was sometimes called “The eye of the needle” and was narrow and short enough that a camel had to be unloaded of anything it was carrying in order to get through. The analogy being that it is easier for a camel to be unloaded of its baggage than for those who focus on riches to let go of their wealth.
Speedy
Ahh, that was it. I remember the reference now.
eggishorn
If by “some scholars” you mean “mostly American Evangelicals,” then, yes, that is true. While the story of a gate named the eye of the needle didn’t originate in the U.S., it has long had more currency within the Evangelical Protestant community than within the Catholic or mainline Protestant communities. If the eye of the needle is a gate, getting the camel through is therefore difficult. If, however, the eye is in an actual sewing needle, getting the camel through is impossible. Which interpretation one favors has to do with doctrines and dogmas about salvation and wealth that needn’t be detailed further here.
The oldest sources we have for Matthew Chapter 19 (where the parable is told) make it clear that Jesus is speaking of the difficulty of getting an actual camel through an actual needle, not a metaphorical gate. Rabbinical sources speaking of getting other large animals, even up to elephants through needles further undercut the gate interpretation. The earliest mention of this supposed gate isn’t until the Ninth century A.D. and there is no historical or archaeological evidence for existence of such a gate in the time the Gospels are set.
TL;DR version: Julie shouldn’t be bringing the door to Veles.
Where does the wise man hide a key? In a key cabinet. Where does the wise man hide a leaf? In a forest. And where does the wise man hide a dead body? In with lots of other dead bodies… and if you don’t happen to have a cemetery nearby but are a general, a lost battle can provide just that! (Father Brown – not an exact quote – by GK Chesterton)
I’m wondering if it actually matters what she takes. With so many things that could be called “the eye” perhaps she just needed to reach this point and bring back something, anything, as proof.
I think the “eye at the heart of the egg” may just be the middle of the place. Like, the “eye” of a storm. Maybe it resembles an egg yolk? This is an egg after all.
The problem with this sort of thing, it is easy to over think.
I’m just wondering, the eye can be known as something else, the mist door let us know that. Baba Yaga told us that it is know as The eye, that and nothing else. Make me think that when it is called The eye, there is nothing added to it. For example, a potato’s eye (or The potato’s eye) wouldn’t work. Neither would The eye of Horus (you don’t just call it The eye). And the one from the US dollar is The all seeing eye. Again, wouldn’t work because it’s not just known as “The eye”.
According to Baba Yaga, the eye that Julie is looking for is called that and nothing else (or words to that effect). Is that a useful clue here? For instance, I doubt it’s a gem – because although that COULD be called an eye, it’s not the only thing it’s called.
I like the little plane, it reminds me of one on a very old Batman cover. The props are great.
The kind of answer really depends on whether this is a Campbell ‘hero’s’ quest where the hero fetches something back to help his people. Then it would be something, Or this could be a heroine’s quest where she gets enlightened and finds the answer in herself. Now I hope this will be a really grim answer that combines the two and she loses an eye. Have we seen 84 with any object she’s acquired or already owns? Didn’t she get an invitation to that FIST party to be their leader? She is the “I” and the invitation might fit in other ways to the puzzle too.
“They eye is just THAT, called by NO OTHER NAME.”
Both Veles and Baba Yaga seems to be well in the know about what it is, and they both refer to it in singular form. Also, Grigor said:
“This place was made by Koschei the Undying, to protect something MOST DEAR to him.”
Now, the confusion about the “me/myself/i” and “eye” only appears in English, and I don’t think neither Veles nor Baba Yaga would make it.
What would be valuable to somebody able to construct such a magical egg?
Wouldn’t it take quite a bit of skill and eye for detail to make such a thing.
If it were a riddle based on one of the Slavic languages, it wouldn’t be translated into English, of necessity, and you’d have to solve it in the language in which it was conceived. Otherwise, it would be unfair, and that all the puzzles in the egg have a faerie tale sense of rhyme and reason to them.
However, even though it’s printed as “eye” on the page doesn’t mean that’s how it’s actually spelled; it’s merely how Julie perceives it. She thinks, “Oh, an eye,” and thus that’s how it’s presented to us. It could very well be “I” or “aye,” or “eye,” and she wouldn’t know.
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Zer-Author
Wow. That’s a lot of eyes.
That clinches it; whatever 84 is looking for, it involves a trick question. My first guess is that she is looking for the letter I.
Me-me
People mentioned it in the other pages but nobody seemed to think it was the real answer; I am convinced she is looking for the eye of the needle.
Keith M.
No, no. She is looking for the *I*; it’s a finding yourself metaphor. She needs to disregard all the outer trappings and point at herself.
Steven
I indeed; and in DEED.
Xian Lonestar
Many eyes in the room, none that I can see are just called “the eye”, you have the “all seeing eye” illuminati, the “eye of ra” Egypt, the “eye of Merlin”, an eye from the statue from the old first edition d&d book covers (trying to remember which book) it’s in the case below the painting of the “doctor’s eyes”, the glasses on the bench probably “eyes of hawk vision” or some such from D&D, NOTE: knitting needles to not have eyes. Ok, that’s enough for me, can’t wait to see what it ends up being.
Paul C
I believe you are thinking of the Players Handbook
Psiberkiwi
The D&D book you are referring to is the Player’s Handbook.
Tomyironmane
Who said it’s gotta be a trick question? Perhaps it’s more along the lines of a Last Crusade misdirection puzzle. In that case, heaven help her…
Shikome Kido Mi
Alternately, it’s the one actual biological eye in the room full of replicas.
Armitage
Is that Peter Capaldi’s eye in the portrait?
Birion
It does look like him.
IronDino
Looks very much like it.
escher
without at doubt. Specifically from Day of the Doctor . . . .
http://gfbrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/the-day-of-the-doctor-twelfth-doctor.jpg
Kheldarson
It is: http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2846504.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Doctor_Who_50th_anniversary.jpg
Nicole
It is, I recognized it instantly. XD
Mr. Bawkbagawk
well, it is his independently angry eyebrows for certain.
Town Crier
It looks like Vigo from Ghost Busters II.
w00hoo
I’m just so glad that bowl of potatoes is there 🙂
David Goldfarb
Yes, that’s Peter Capaldi in his brief appearance in the Doctor Who 50th anniversary special.
I bet the answer will be a mirror: that in which anyone can see their own self, their “I”.
Psyque
Potatoes, knitting needles, the dollar bill pyramid., drawstring shorts.. Wait, is that a Wii?
Mordo
What’s more funny is that next to it is a jar… Wii-Ja(r) 😀
Simon
Looks like one. But that’s got two i’s, so it can’t be what she’s looking for.
Pietro
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who noticed that.
Anon
She has super-strength.
Pick up the building, hold it aloft, and wait to be snapped back to Reality.
Ideal outcome: “Hmmm, technically you DID bring me the Eye and you’ll make a good Opponent — after you get a bit more seasoning. I’ll be back in a century.”
Faust
One item is her limit. She would return with just the empty building.
Nobody
Did they ever say that?
maarvarq
OK Julie, take a breath before you make any decisions. If this is fair at all then there must be a way of deciding on the real one.
Del
Hmmm… not the letter, “I”… I suspect “I” as in “self.”
Nobody
As pointed out last page, that wordplay wouldn’t make sense in any of the languages Kodashi or Veles would have spoken, and it would be really out of character for Kodashi to build a big magic setup like this for a journey of self discovery.
Also Baba Yaga said that the eye was called just that, nothing else. Where as Julie has a great many other things she is called.
Moe Lane
So look for something with the inscription ‘Just That,” Julie.
Jon Penner
An I-beam?
ThatGuy
Wow… all those traps with trick questions and specific wording phrases and counter loop hole traps…. Just to have the last one be a giant screw ball attack.
Want an “eye” little girl? Have all the “eyes” except this one!
artificer-urza
I think it’s an actual eyeball.
Jay
That’s something called an eye and nothing else.
Fhaolan
Out of all the things there, for some reason the coatrack gets my attention. It’s probably there just as a Doctor Who reference (there’s *always* a coatrack in the TARDIS), but for some reason I’m trying to think of a pun/joke with eye that would apply.
MattStriker
A nice way to demonstrate the fallacy behind the “needle in a haystack” saying. You don’t hide a needle in a haystack, that’s silly. You hide it in a pile of other needles.
someone
Here the needle is hidden in an eyestack.
Lucario
Spongebob extreme sports: Find the hay in the needlestack.
Nobody
That’s assuming you are hiding a particular needle, whereas in the phrases context you are looking for any needle, thus a needlestack would be a jackpot rather than something hard to find needles in.
Speedy
I heard once that there was an actual gate in the middle east (Not sure where), that was called the “Eye of the needle”. It was too small for a camel to travel through. Maybe the door itself is the eye?
Also, Does this look like the room of requirement’s younger brother? (The Harry Potter glasses may be an issue.)
Chronobyte
“The Eye of the Needle” reference is in the New Testament when Christ tells His Apostles, “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven.” Some scholars feel this refers to one of the gates of Jerusalem that was sometimes called “The eye of the needle” and was narrow and short enough that a camel had to be unloaded of anything it was carrying in order to get through. The analogy being that it is easier for a camel to be unloaded of its baggage than for those who focus on riches to let go of their wealth.
Speedy
Ahh, that was it. I remember the reference now.
eggishorn
If by “some scholars” you mean “mostly American Evangelicals,” then, yes, that is true. While the story of a gate named the eye of the needle didn’t originate in the U.S., it has long had more currency within the Evangelical Protestant community than within the Catholic or mainline Protestant communities. If the eye of the needle is a gate, getting the camel through is therefore difficult. If, however, the eye is in an actual sewing needle, getting the camel through is impossible. Which interpretation one favors has to do with doctrines and dogmas about salvation and wealth that needn’t be detailed further here.
The oldest sources we have for Matthew Chapter 19 (where the parable is told) make it clear that Jesus is speaking of the difficulty of getting an actual camel through an actual needle, not a metaphorical gate. Rabbinical sources speaking of getting other large animals, even up to elephants through needles further undercut the gate interpretation. The earliest mention of this supposed gate isn’t until the Ninth century A.D. and there is no historical or archaeological evidence for existence of such a gate in the time the Gospels are set.
TL;DR version: Julie shouldn’t be bringing the door to Veles.
Tim
Where does the wise man hide a key? In a key cabinet. Where does the wise man hide a leaf? In a forest. And where does the wise man hide a dead body? In with lots of other dead bodies… and if you don’t happen to have a cemetery nearby but are a general, a lost battle can provide just that! (Father Brown – not an exact quote – by GK Chesterton)
With Respect
Interesting.. why is this room full of Time Lord artifacts.. and is that Artax’ staff?
Is it more than just the knickknack closet of a long-lived wizard?
It’s certainly not abandoned at any rate. That’s an actively lived-in little hoard.
Ah well; it’s a magic quest. What she seeks is the last thing she finds.
JShap
OF COURSE it’s the last thing, she won’t keep looking
John
That chunk of Egyptian stone in the back has a big ol’ Eye of Horus on it.
Golux
Yeah, and wasn’t Sirius used in one of the story arcs?
As I remember, that figured mightily on the dust jacket of Allan Parsons Project’s Eye in the Sky.
Mechwarrior
Just watch out for the Eye of the Tiger.
The tiger probably wants to keep it.
One Skunk Todd
Is that meant to be one of the Argonath statues?
Sociotard
Tee Hee, potatoes. And the Wii has two i’s.
Naldru
Aye yai yai
BignorseWolf
Eye of the knitting needle?
Staredown
Eh, screw it. She has superstrength, she should just take it all back in a big pile.
MrMike
Ai-Yi-Yi.
Lore
she’s looking for someone specifics eye why not the glasses?
Devlerbat
I’m wondering if it actually matters what she takes. With so many things that could be called “the eye” perhaps she just needed to reach this point and bring back something, anything, as proof.
=Tamar
Knitting needles don’t have eyes. Sewing needles do.
greyhobbit13
I think the “eye at the heart of the egg” may just be the middle of the place. Like, the “eye” of a storm. Maybe it resembles an egg yolk? This is an egg after all.
The problem with this sort of thing, it is easy to over think.
Scott
I’m just wondering, the eye can be known as something else, the mist door let us know that. Baba Yaga told us that it is know as The eye, that and nothing else. Make me think that when it is called The eye, there is nothing added to it. For example, a potato’s eye (or The potato’s eye) wouldn’t work. Neither would The eye of Horus (you don’t just call it The eye). And the one from the US dollar is The all seeing eye. Again, wouldn’t work because it’s not just known as “The eye”.
Lucy
According to Baba Yaga, the eye that Julie is looking for is called that and nothing else (or words to that effect). Is that a useful clue here? For instance, I doubt it’s a gem – because although that COULD be called an eye, it’s not the only thing it’s called.
Foradain
I don’t see anything that meets the “called that and nothing else” criteria.
I’m with Anon and Staredown. Take it all back, let Veles sort them out. ^_^
Knug
Why is there a banana strung up? Am I missing an “eye” pun there ?
PhoenixPaw
The strung up banana is an “eye-catcher”, i.e. it draws your eyes/vision to it.
dana
To me it resembles an ancient oil lamp. You pour oil into it and there would be a floating wick.
I’m not sure sure how you get an “eye” out of that though.
4rest
The banana is a hanging oil lamp. The burning wick hangs out the right side.
Jay
Archimedes! Have you seen that flying machine model?
Marie
I like the little plane, it reminds me of one on a very old Batman cover. The props are great.
The kind of answer really depends on whether this is a Campbell ‘hero’s’ quest where the hero fetches something back to help his people. Then it would be something, Or this could be a heroine’s quest where she gets enlightened and finds the answer in herself. Now I hope this will be a really grim answer that combines the two and she loses an eye. Have we seen 84 with any object she’s acquired or already owns? Didn’t she get an invitation to that FIST party to be their leader? She is the “I” and the invitation might fit in other ways to the puzzle too.
Town Crier
Well, if it were the eye of a magical egg, I might look for a yolk; however, Baba Yaga’s clue eliminates that. A glass eye would do the trick…
Town Crier
Of course, the spectacles would be a common sense answer, but, again, Baba Yaga’s clue precludes such…
PhoenixPaw
“They eye is just THAT, called by NO OTHER NAME.”
Both Veles and Baba Yaga seems to be well in the know about what it is, and they both refer to it in singular form. Also, Grigor said:
“This place was made by Koschei the Undying, to protect something MOST DEAR to him.”
Now, the confusion about the “me/myself/i” and “eye” only appears in English, and I don’t think neither Veles nor Baba Yaga would make it.
What would be valuable to somebody able to construct such a magical egg?
Wouldn’t it take quite a bit of skill and eye for detail to make such a thing.
So … yea, I’ve got clues, but no eye-dea.
Lycanthromancer
If it were a riddle based on one of the Slavic languages, it wouldn’t be translated into English, of necessity, and you’d have to solve it in the language in which it was conceived. Otherwise, it would be unfair, and that all the puzzles in the egg have a faerie tale sense of rhyme and reason to them.
However, even though it’s printed as “eye” on the page doesn’t mean that’s how it’s actually spelled; it’s merely how Julie perceives it. She thinks, “Oh, an eye,” and thus that’s how it’s presented to us. It could very well be “I” or “aye,” or “eye,” and she wouldn’t know.
Prairie Son
Yeesh, isn’t that the ruby Nodwick and Company had to fetch that ended up with them owning their own dungeon?
Puidwen
that’s just cruel to julie
Raulen