I’d say it still IS. Revenant seems like the type to make sure things are built to last, and it doesn’t look too damaged. We haven’t seen the last of that jet.
That’s right, he wouldn’t have been able to reach the autopilot button, restrained as he is. It’s a good thing for Tyler’s health that she included the pilot’s seat in the hug, although I think the farmer won’t think so if he gets there before Revenant.
I think the plane probably had some “smart” elements that allowed it to automatically make a controlled crash landing if it sensed nobody was at the controls while in flight. Voice-activation of an autopilot would have allowed it to fly home and land safely (thinking comic book autopilots, here).
Today’s large commercial jets can auto-land at major airports under normal circumstances. You enter the landing approach and engage the auto-land and it communicates with the towers computers to get necessary info for safe landing.
Okay NOW the plane has impressed me. That with a totally dead stick (No pilot holding it) It not only came in level and right side up. But did not cartwheel, nose in or break up. Whoever designed it earned their pay on it.
Not really. That implies he’s pleasing a lot of girls, but really it’s just Julie, as far as I can tell. (Using her hero name here would not help make my point.)
Angie is American Eagle, right? It gets hard to remember all the names and costumed identities after a while.
Lucy
No, Angie is the tech girl – the one who’s friends with the alien, Prospero? Tyler took shop class with them, and they ended up in space. I’m not sure if she has a hero name.
Dave III
No, Angie is the slightly older dark-haired kid who talks like a 40 year old Brooklyn cabbie and invents stuff crazier than Herschel does. She usually hangs out with Propero, the alien who was going to blow up the Earth if they didn’t solve the invasion issue in a timely fashion. (She’s also a mascot for a brand of pre-made peanut butter sandwiches, but that one wasn’t entirely her fault.)
American Eagle is Tyler’s age, blonde, and… I think we’ve only seen her out of uniform, like, once?
Well, in addition to Angie, there are:
– Suzi, who is the first person to talk to Tyler at PS238 (first girl wins trope in play here), and who promised to protect him because he has no powers.
– Jenny, who Tyler saved from being maimed by Dax-Ra, and who defers to Moon Shadow’s leadership despite being conditioned by her handlers to be a leader herself.
Tyler also gets along pretty well with Ambriel, but she has much better chemistry with Zodon.
Tyler’s really gonna need to reveal his identity soon… If Julie is hugging him this strongly because she believes he has darkness powers and can therefore take the abuse, and she at some point hugs him somewhere OTHER than the plane…
I’m pretty sure that the PS238 faculty has taught Julie that not all powers give those that possess them invulnerability. As such, she wouldn’t expect Moon Shadow’s reputed “ultra-darkness powers” to make him (physically) invulnerable to her uncontrolled hugs. I’m equally sure that she hasn’t quite learned to control her *exuberance*, which is why Tyler is trapped in a crushed pilot seat.
Perhaps Revenant will take the opportunity to replace the crushed pilot seat with one that doesn’t require Moon Shadow to sit on a pair of thick phone books….
Maybe, but Revenant probably wouldn’t think it was quite as funny. (Plus I’m sure he uses it on a regular basis, too, and phone books can easily be moved out of the way.
meerling
There is such a thing as a height adjustable seat. Moonshadow probably just never installed one because though he tries to prepare for everything, the idea that a young kid like Tyler would be using it on a regular basis never crossed his mind as likely.
That is hilariously untrue. Fortunately “violence is a sign of affection” from both genders is gradually being phased out. That you are sufficiently unaware of it in your own culture to say that with a straight face is sort of a positive sign in some ways.
Dave III
Let’s just say I make a point of avoiding people who are likely to hit me for whatever reason.
Looks like that’s shaping up to be a running gag or brick joke for the comic, although fridge logic leaves you wondering why she didn’t uncrunch the seat at least enough to let Moonshadow be able to get free.
In my mental “video” of the unshown scene, she jumped up, hugged him, and flew out without looking back nor realizing the seat got crushed. She also apparently didn’t notice the plane crashing.
Funny page, but I have to wonder where 84 disappeared to? Did she just crumple Moon Shadow into the seat and bust out of the canopy and fly away? Why didn’t she uncrumple the seat? Her action not only endangered Moon Shadow, but countless other non-supers when the jet was no longer under pilot control. This is not the same 84 that solved the Egg puzzle.
I kind of agree with you, but I kind of dont. See, back when 84 was asked the question about the card, I actually suggested “what are moon shadow’s powers?” would have made a great question (though in retrospect impossible to ask since the whole thing was televised) because of what that question would have required from Julie. See by now, Julie has seen enough of Moon Shadow’s tactics and arsenal that if she really thought logically about it, she could figure out that everything he did was gadget based, and therefor he did not have any.
But first she would have to knock the stars out of her eyes and see past any infatuation she has for him. As for why she didn’t uncrumple the seat, that’s pretty easy. That jet clearly has a hatch for exiting flyers, and Julie assumes Moon Shadow is this amazing super who can pretty much do anything, it didn’t even occur to her that he couldn’t unbend or otherwise get out of the seat himself.
Appropriate name for your last line, since Toby is an “amazing super who can pretty much do anything.” However, Tyler may want to get something that can unbend whatever Julie bends, and is voice activated.
Dave III
I think there’s a lot of people who deal with metas who would like such a thing. Not the least of which, world governments.
If it’s like the previous time, Julie most likely just hugged Tyler then flew off without looking back, leaving Tyler to land the plane with his feet (or autopilot).
Of course, Tyler is the only one she’s endangering: In order to be alone with Tyler to talk about personal issues (and to hug him), she will always be the last passenger off the plane.
It might be a mini-meta power, not unlike Tyler’s apparent gift to seem unremarkable. That grey area between “Really really better than average” and “legally defined as ‘meta'”. Like the FISSes, such folks probably don’t get the respect the deserve, even though their contribution is perfectly valid and worthwhile.
That wording, “apparent gift to seem unremarkable,” feels disturbingly like a strong connection to Nodwick’s “become irrelevant” henchman power. That combined with the way they both have the apparent ability to be the reliable and observant type makes me wonder if they’re distantly related, especially since both of their worlds have been shown to be the same one.
Dave III
That would be my headcanon, actually: that yes, Tyler and Nodwick are distantly related. Age and maturity levels notwithstanding, the two have remarkable similarities, including their common sense and punchline deliveries. Plus, if you REALLY want to get picky about it, they’re colored the same: Blonde hair, red shirt, and blue pants.
It probably wouldn’t be hard to tear that theory apart, but that’s the joy of headcanon.
trlkly
Isn’t the fact that this is a future version of Nodwick just canon? Or is that some other comic?
Dave III
I don’t believe so. I don’t recall seeing anything specific along those lines, anyway.
I dimly recall Aaron saying something along the lines of “Heh, that would be pretty funny” but not “Yes, that is totally the case”. Or maybe I dreamed that. I honestly don’t know.
In any case, I don’t think that Tyler *IS* Nodwick in any literal sense, just that he could be a distant relation and bears a superficial similarity, unsurprising since they have vaguely similar roles and were created by the same author.
Prairie Son
Well, they did travel back in time and meet Nodwick and crew. So it’s the same world. Issue 39, IMS.
I’m also only a little disappointed we have to wait to find out what the answer is (unless we have already bought the offline, bookshelf compatible version, ;)). But both in story and out of story, it makes more sense to hear the answer when Julie presents it to her group. Hopefully she’s wise enough to allow people to think it was her idea. I think Tyler would want it that way too.
If I’m not mistaken, these ones in color are when he made the switch to doing it only online and stopped doing print issues. Then again, I’m not 100% certain.
Aaron’s switching to just trades, since those apparently outsell the individual issues contained within [I]combined[/I]. Which is probably a very damning comment on how stores stock things.
Brainstorm
On the one hand, I’m sad because I wanted to start a comic collection with PS238.
On the other, I vastly prefer compilation books for ease of reading……
Prairie Son
Most of the individual issues are long since out of print, so it’d be impossible to complete the collection without a lot of money invested in eBay bids. So the trades are the way to go, since they get reprinted every so often. Check Noble Knight to see what they have available.
Anyone else getting the impression that when The Revenant was asking about the crunching noise, he was mentally crossing his fingers that Tyler’s answer wouldn’t be “My spine”?
If he’s a responsible adult who cares about Tyler’s well-being, which he’s been shown to be. There’s been almost nothing Revenant has instigated that Tyler wasn’t able to handle *OR* Revenant wasn’t able to help bail him out of. There HAVE been situations when Tyler did things Rev wouldn’t have approved of (Magnetically tethering his car to an escaping helicopter springs to mind) but I think he really cares about the kid, as a mentor and as a surrogate parent.
Anyone else getting a HPMOR vibe from 84 and Moon shadow’s relationship? It’s not all there, but there are some striking paralleled especially post chapter 111.
No, not at all. Tyler is not an elite rationalist dealing with an irrational world. And the only relationship in Chapter 111 is between Harry and Voldemort. And, after that, just denoument. Can you elaborate on what similarities you see?
Is it maybe that you think the Revenant is Tyler’s “wise old wizard,” and now Tyler is becoming one for Julie? But why didn’t you just say “the last chapter”?
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HardWearJunkie
Good punchline (punchpage?). That plane was a sweet ride.
AeromechanicalAce
I’d say it still IS. Revenant seems like the type to make sure things are built to last, and it doesn’t look too damaged. We haven’t seen the last of that jet.
Lucario
That’s right, he wouldn’t have been able to reach the autopilot button, restrained as he is. It’s a good thing for Tyler’s health that she included the pilot’s seat in the hug, although I think the farmer won’t think so if he gets there before Revenant.
CraigR
I think the plane probably had some “smart” elements that allowed it to automatically make a controlled crash landing if it sensed nobody was at the controls while in flight. Voice-activation of an autopilot would have allowed it to fly home and land safely (thinking comic book autopilots, here).
CountryMage
It has homed in to pick them up before, though Revenant may have been piloting by remote then…
Ie Yamof Ool
Today’s large commercial jets can auto-land at major airports under normal circumstances. You enter the landing approach and engage the auto-land and it communicates with the towers computers to get necessary info for safe landing.
oball
You don’t need a fancy autopilot system to make a smooth landing with no pilot, just look up the Cornfield Bomber!
Kaian
Okay NOW the plane has impressed me. That with a totally dead stick (No pilot holding it) It not only came in level and right side up. But did not cartwheel, nose in or break up. Whoever designed it earned their pay on it.
TBeholder
Well, it’s VTOL. The rest are details of fallback autopilot programming.
Faust
I called the plane crash but got the details wrong 🙂
It was a hug, not a kiss.
sociotard
Aww, we still don’t know what the idea was.
Great page though. Tyler, you such a playa
Lucario
Not really. That implies he’s pleasing a lot of girls, but really it’s just Julie, as far as I can tell. (Using her hero name here would not help make my point.)
sociotard
Was I the only one that shipped him with Angie?
Thozmp
Angie is American Eagle, right? It gets hard to remember all the names and costumed identities after a while.
Lucy
No, Angie is the tech girl – the one who’s friends with the alien, Prospero? Tyler took shop class with them, and they ended up in space. I’m not sure if she has a hero name.
Dave III
No, Angie is the slightly older dark-haired kid who talks like a 40 year old Brooklyn cabbie and invents stuff crazier than Herschel does. She usually hangs out with Propero, the alien who was going to blow up the Earth if they didn’t solve the invasion issue in a timely fashion. (She’s also a mascot for a brand of pre-made peanut butter sandwiches, but that one wasn’t entirely her fault.)
American Eagle is Tyler’s age, blonde, and… I think we’ve only seen her out of uniform, like, once?
Lucario
Although a bit out of date, there’s a fairly detailed Wikipedia page that lists students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JQF/List_of_Students_in_PS238
I checked the PS238 wiki. It’s kind of sad, but they only have 2 character pages.
Prairie Son
We’ve seen Jenny Adams out of uniform a few times, almost all of which were during the issue where she and Dillon Fillmore first appeared.
Nobody
And there was that time the Ghost was telling people that she had eagle wings in he backpack.
Or the time she went off to fight the teleporter. (Which might have been the same incident, now that I think about it).
Dave III
OK, OK, point taken… I just remembered her first appearance, is all.
Mike
Probably, but gotta admit it would be a great match, pairing up a gadget-using hero with a master gadgeteer.
Given Tyler’s experiences with Angie in shop class, that matchup might be almost as hazardous to his health…
Delver
Well Tyler is already Julie’s consort.
Adahn
Well, in addition to Angie, there are:
– Suzi, who is the first person to talk to Tyler at PS238 (first girl wins trope in play here), and who promised to protect him because he has no powers.
– Jenny, who Tyler saved from being maimed by Dax-Ra, and who defers to Moon Shadow’s leadership despite being conditioned by her handlers to be a leader herself.
Tyler also gets along pretty well with Ambriel, but she has much better chemistry with Zodon.
Dragons'Mom
I am laughing so hard that my face hurts.
Moe Lane
…Lad, we’ve DISCUSSED this.
Dave III
Uh, I assure you– This was the GOOD ending to the scenario. If Julie had left *angry*…
Dave III
Tyler’s really gonna need to reveal his identity soon… If Julie is hugging him this strongly because she believes he has darkness powers and can therefore take the abuse, and she at some point hugs him somewhere OTHER than the plane…
AuricTech
I’m pretty sure that the PS238 faculty has taught Julie that not all powers give those that possess them invulnerability. As such, she wouldn’t expect Moon Shadow’s reputed “ultra-darkness powers” to make him (physically) invulnerable to her uncontrolled hugs. I’m equally sure that she hasn’t quite learned to control her *exuberance*, which is why Tyler is trapped in a crushed pilot seat.
Perhaps Revenant will take the opportunity to replace the crushed pilot seat with one that doesn’t require Moon Shadow to sit on a pair of thick phone books….
Dave III
Maybe, but Revenant probably wouldn’t think it was quite as funny. (Plus I’m sure he uses it on a regular basis, too, and phone books can easily be moved out of the way.
meerling
There is such a thing as a height adjustable seat. Moonshadow probably just never installed one because though he tries to prepare for everything, the idea that a young kid like Tyler would be using it on a regular basis never crossed his mind as likely.
trlkly
No, but he’s survived both hugs already, which probably weren’t at full strength, So she’s already got confirmation that he can.
At the very least, he needs to say he isn’t super strong.
TB
So, how many people has 84 actually killed?
Moe Lane
None. It’s not that kind of comic.
meerling
Though I suspect she has caused a couple of ‘really nasty boo-boos’.
Mutant for Hire
Julie really needs to pay attention to other people’s property.
Alex C
At least she’s not written as the “if she hits you she likes you” type.
Dave III
Americans don’t do tsundere. ‘Round here we call that “psychotic behavior” and hospitalize people for behaving that way.
James
That is hilariously untrue. Fortunately “violence is a sign of affection” from both genders is gradually being phased out. That you are sufficiently unaware of it in your own culture to say that with a straight face is sort of a positive sign in some ways.
Dave III
Let’s just say I make a point of avoiding people who are likely to hit me for whatever reason.
SomeGuy
Oh yeah, ever watched hey arnold? Helga is that exact tsundere character.
Nobody
It depends entirely on how hard you hit them. 😀
Nightmask
Looks like that’s shaping up to be a running gag or brick joke for the comic, although fridge logic leaves you wondering why she didn’t uncrunch the seat at least enough to let Moonshadow be able to get free.
Ed Rhodes
Because Moon Shadow has Dark Powers and a simple crushed seat wouldn’t bother him at all. Everyone knows that, silly!
Segev
In my mental “video” of the unshown scene, she jumped up, hugged him, and flew out without looking back nor realizing the seat got crushed. She also apparently didn’t notice the plane crashing.
Her head must really be in the clouds.
(Pun intended)
Town Crier
Funny page, but I have to wonder where 84 disappeared to? Did she just crumple Moon Shadow into the seat and bust out of the canopy and fly away? Why didn’t she uncrumple the seat? Her action not only endangered Moon Shadow, but countless other non-supers when the jet was no longer under pilot control. This is not the same 84 that solved the Egg puzzle.
toby
I kind of agree with you, but I kind of dont. See, back when 84 was asked the question about the card, I actually suggested “what are moon shadow’s powers?” would have made a great question (though in retrospect impossible to ask since the whole thing was televised) because of what that question would have required from Julie. See by now, Julie has seen enough of Moon Shadow’s tactics and arsenal that if she really thought logically about it, she could figure out that everything he did was gadget based, and therefor he did not have any.
But first she would have to knock the stars out of her eyes and see past any infatuation she has for him. As for why she didn’t uncrumple the seat, that’s pretty easy. That jet clearly has a hatch for exiting flyers, and Julie assumes Moon Shadow is this amazing super who can pretty much do anything, it didn’t even occur to her that he couldn’t unbend or otherwise get out of the seat himself.
Lucario
Appropriate name for your last line, since Toby is an “amazing super who can pretty much do anything.” However, Tyler may want to get something that can unbend whatever Julie bends, and is voice activated.
Dave III
I think there’s a lot of people who deal with metas who would like such a thing. Not the least of which, world governments.
Ghostbear0
No it, giddy schoolgirl Julie hugging her super awesome and powerfull and cool hero.
Adahn
If it’s like the previous time, Julie most likely just hugged Tyler then flew off without looking back, leaving Tyler to land the plane with his feet (or autopilot).
Of course, Tyler is the only one she’s endangering: In order to be alone with Tyler to talk about personal issues (and to hug him), she will always be the last passenger off the plane.
artificer-urza
I’m always amazed at how well Revenant multi-tasks.
Dave III
It might be a mini-meta power, not unlike Tyler’s apparent gift to seem unremarkable. That grey area between “Really really better than average” and “legally defined as ‘meta'”. Like the FISSes, such folks probably don’t get the respect the deserve, even though their contribution is perfectly valid and worthwhile.
Sparksol
That wording, “apparent gift to seem unremarkable,” feels disturbingly like a strong connection to Nodwick’s “become irrelevant” henchman power. That combined with the way they both have the apparent ability to be the reliable and observant type makes me wonder if they’re distantly related, especially since both of their worlds have been shown to be the same one.
Dave III
That would be my headcanon, actually: that yes, Tyler and Nodwick are distantly related. Age and maturity levels notwithstanding, the two have remarkable similarities, including their common sense and punchline deliveries. Plus, if you REALLY want to get picky about it, they’re colored the same: Blonde hair, red shirt, and blue pants.
It probably wouldn’t be hard to tear that theory apart, but that’s the joy of headcanon.
trlkly
Isn’t the fact that this is a future version of Nodwick just canon? Or is that some other comic?
Dave III
I don’t believe so. I don’t recall seeing anything specific along those lines, anyway.
I dimly recall Aaron saying something along the lines of “Heh, that would be pretty funny” but not “Yes, that is totally the case”. Or maybe I dreamed that. I honestly don’t know.
In any case, I don’t think that Tyler *IS* Nodwick in any literal sense, just that he could be a distant relation and bears a superficial similarity, unsurprising since they have vaguely similar roles and were created by the same author.
Prairie Son
Well, they did travel back in time and meet Nodwick and crew. So it’s the same world. Issue 39, IMS.
Chronobyte
I’m also only a little disappointed we have to wait to find out what the answer is (unless we have already bought the offline, bookshelf compatible version, ;)). But both in story and out of story, it makes more sense to hear the answer when Julie presents it to her group. Hopefully she’s wise enough to allow people to think it was her idea. I think Tyler would want it that way too.
Jason Garrick
If I’m not mistaken, these ones in color are when he made the switch to doing it only online and stopped doing print issues. Then again, I’m not 100% certain.
Prairie Son
Aaron’s switching to just trades, since those apparently outsell the individual issues contained within [I]combined[/I]. Which is probably a very damning comment on how stores stock things.
Brainstorm
On the one hand, I’m sad because I wanted to start a comic collection with PS238.
On the other, I vastly prefer compilation books for ease of reading……
Prairie Son
Most of the individual issues are long since out of print, so it’d be impossible to complete the collection without a lot of money invested in eBay bids. So the trades are the way to go, since they get reprinted every so often. Check Noble Knight to see what they have available.
Prairie Son
Anyone else getting the impression that when The Revenant was asking about the crunching noise, he was mentally crossing his fingers that Tyler’s answer wouldn’t be “My spine”?
Dave III
If he’s a responsible adult who cares about Tyler’s well-being, which he’s been shown to be. There’s been almost nothing Revenant has instigated that Tyler wasn’t able to handle *OR* Revenant wasn’t able to help bail him out of. There HAVE been situations when Tyler did things Rev wouldn’t have approved of (Magnetically tethering his car to an escaping helicopter springs to mind) but I think he really cares about the kid, as a mentor and as a surrogate parent.
Knug
“Its fortunate the ejection system didn’t activate”
Its awful when getting a hug from a girl leads to premature ejection.
Yes, I went there.
Jason Garrick
Seriously? Tyler’s eight years old. That’s not appropriate. Also, EEWWW.
CF_Azaka
Spoilers
Anyone else getting a HPMOR vibe from 84 and Moon shadow’s relationship? It’s not all there, but there are some striking paralleled especially post chapter 111.
uaeoaeoeoi
You would need to be more specific about the comparison.
Dave III
It’s a Harry Potter alternate universe fanstory, but I only know that after looking it up.
trlkly
No, not at all. Tyler is not an elite rationalist dealing with an irrational world. And the only relationship in Chapter 111 is between Harry and Voldemort. And, after that, just denoument. Can you elaborate on what similarities you see?
Is it maybe that you think the Revenant is Tyler’s “wise old wizard,” and now Tyler is becoming one for Julie? But why didn’t you just say “the last chapter”?
Jason Garrick