You shout at someone who can help or shout at someone who WILL screw up again… Also love the villain mage. Can we get a party swap for him even if he does nothing?
ByTheFarmstead
It is hard to take someone seriously who is dressed like a combination of hong kong phoey and Dr Fate. The helm just isn’t enough to save the outfit. I think the stuff is about to hit the fan, and deservedly so. I don’t really think this was primarily the guardian mage’s fault, it was a shield that LP probably would have attacked liek that on her own and puppet boy did NOT listen to objections.
Christopher
I always thought he looked like a Hugh Hefner-wanabee with Fates helmet.
kentda
Actually I’d trade him for the dumbass(neuronet) who was resposible for Phlo turning into a pile of … whatever first. Let Conjurer go and embarrass himself in front of a guy who most likely has a great deal more knowledge than he does.
As to Neuronet, if he still has more than one brain cell, he would be doing a quick exit stage left as once the wizard calms Julie down, he will potentially be the target of a three mile punch (you know, one hit, target flies three miles through the air).
She’s surrounded by idiots, but the one she’s shouting at is the one most likely to be able to answer the question… unless you think one of her companions has anything useful to contribute?
Notice that unlike Conjurer who he obvious held great disdain for, he referred to Julie as Young Lady. He is giving her some courtesy, which will probably quickly defuse her anger at him. Once she explains, I have a feeling that he may agree to help. Of course that will require that Conjurer lets him go. Then the onus is on him. Neuronet has already proven he needs to spend a good ten to twenty wearing stripes.
Simon
Yes, I noticed that… whatever else he might be, he has good manners. Which immediately makes him more worthy of her respect (and interest) than her supposed allies.
That’s because Nitro was a psychopath who reveled in mass murder, even if his power caused him horrendous agony he’d still enjoy it just for the destruction and death he left behind. Phlogiston unfortunately doesn’t seem to have the range of secondary powers that make exploding an easy and harmless thing like Nitro had.
In a rather surprising display of competence, the Conjurer seems to have successfully sealed off Rastov’s powers (I guess he actually has something to back up that overly inflated ego).
Wonder if Julie would actually harm someone who’s incapable of defending himself?
I’d say its likely that the first hit stunned Rastov more than anything, which bought time for the shield to fully enclose him. While Conjurer was trying to bribe him with all sorts of knowledge he was probably busy prodding the field. I think that’s what any smart wizard who got snared in such a trap would be doing. In short, while he probably Can escape, he’s gladly playing the Waiting Game (like he already stated). It costs him nothing to stay ‘trapped’ for the moment.
My question is:
Is Neuronet going to feel any kind of regret and remorse over what happened completely and take responsibility for his actions? Or is he going to somehow pass the buck and claim it wasn’t in any way his fault?
Of course it’s not his fault, if Phlogiston had been more clear in explaining her powers and hadn’t shouted so much in his head while he was controlling her this wouldn’t have happened, and isn’t it just like a FISS to threaten to resort to violence just because someone got a little banged up?
I know that you’re being facetious, but your comment reminded me of a Champions game that I was in once.
The PCs found an alien orb with time and space warping abilities. One of the PCs used it to teleport off alone to face the master villain who was coming to steal it. He got his butt handed to him and the villain took the orb. Later, rather than admitting that he shouldn’t have abandoned the team in an effort to hog the spotlight, he blamed one of the other players for not giving him the orb quickly enough for him to fully figure out how to use it.
Mechwarrior
I was in a Shadowrun game with someone like that.
After the third time he screwed up a mission with his stupidity, my troll put a round in the back of his head and turned him in for the bounty he’d acquired. Only time I’ve ever had another player’s stupidity actually pay off.
Pneumonica
The different ways I’ve seen poorly-thought-out Cyberpunk characters end like that are amazing. The solo who opens fire on someone before knowing who they are, the cop who thinks that he really can just order a crime boss around because he’s a cop, or the corporate who thinks everybody will take orders because he has money and backing… yeah. They end up being PVP kills.
Mechwarrior
My personal favorites are the annoying and stupid characters who take the Type “O” trait. That way you can always make a tidy sum selling their corpse to organleggers if they can’t take a hint.
I am hoping he is doubled up behind a rock, holding his gut after getting a almost-superhuman punch to his abs. More that likely, he is just hiding out behind the rock, realizing that that did not work out the way he planned.
I’m hoping that whatever pain that Neuronet caused Phlogiston, he felt the full brunt of the backlash.
Messenger
Sadly, Someguy, that’s going to be poor justice if he doesn’t feel responsible for the fate of Phlogiston. He may even think any psychic backlash he suffered to be unfair to him!
You know, its also possible that without the Suit his powers are limited to nothing more than raising a tea cup or knowing that a person is rather annoyed. He could very well be lying about how strong his powers are without the Suit. He strikes me as the sort who would do just that.
Yes, but Julie is REALLY mad. Also, she can fly, shrug off a tank round, and leave fingerprints in titanium: allow me the minor amusement of imagining her turning a stone block into a set of silicon knuckles. 🙂
Actually… I’m thinking Julie is about to pass the next test. So far she has displayed gentility (by treating boat gnome like a person), honesty and wisdom (by answering the stone guardians’ question) and perceptiveness )by being the first to notice the spacial loop). Now she demonstrates compassion by (apparently) being the only one who really cares what happened to phlogiston. Conjurer looked like he was very near to the explosion and must know what happened, but hasn’t even bothered to acknowledge that one of his “teammates” might be injured or dead.
The neuronet guy is in the floor drooling and diying from the pain he feels from plogiston mind… unles the bad mage guy is talking to the three he bested and the plasma woman and the mind contrlo guy are dead… or this three are dead whit the mage and the other two are ok looking at a big crater…
nobody dies in this comic. he was concerned about the nudity aspect of R movies not the blood…her costume didn’t make it is all. just gotta wait for her to wake up
Interesting that, while Rastov (rightly) holds the Conjurer in disdain, he is visibly taken aback and resorts to polite language when he is shouted at by Julie / 84…
While the Conjurer has him magically bound, he shows no intention of actually hurting Rastov, especially since Rastov still holds the key to their prison (or so he claims).
Julie, on the other hand, is visibly upset and is quite capable of harming him now that he is rendered vulnerable.
Rastov’s behavior is reasonable considering his circumstances.
Actually he is still invulnerable since he hasn’t finished his “term”. He’s just not mobile at the moment. Surprise him, stun him, snare him, yes, but hurt? He’s still protected from that.
So while Julie is not a threat, she is a ‘young lady’ that is quite obviously angry. So, polite language is used to calm her down while he can find out details on what has her so upset.
Adahn
Not exactly: Rastov’s protected by the egg from being “truly destroyed” (in his own words).
There is a lot of room between being invulnerable and being immortal, just ask Prometheus (the Titan from Greek mythology).
Mechwarrior
As Jafar said in the second Aladin movie, you’d be surprised what you can live through.
kentda
I think that is the very key phrase here. “Truly Destroyed”. Using the word invulnerable was a poor choice of words.
I’ll use an example. There was an incident in comics where Plasticman was literally blow apart, his parts scattered to the four winds. Over the next millenia he rebuilt himself, gathering up all his parts. This basically means he cannot be truly destroyed. How do you truly kill a man who can rebuild himself from chunks as small as your pinky? Of course such statements tend to have people finding a way around it.
So one can interpret his “Truly Destroyed” in several ways. Invulernable to harm, able to reform his body in spite of damage, regenerates from any serious wounds quickly. There are a number of ways one could look at the term truly destroyed. We of course don’t know exactly What it would take to Truly Destroy him.
As to immortality, most believe that a person who is immortal is invulnerable as well which is not automatically the case. They might be just as prone to death as everyone else is. They are just immune to the ravages of time in some shape or form.
cherub
just because someone is immortal does not mean they do not age. Look at the Book “The Misenchanted Sword”. The sword made the man immortal but he continued to age. Also Wolverine he aged just very very slowly.
kentda
Cherub, thank you for that information on the book.
I could talk a great deal about the matter as the concepts of both are so varied that one can believe one is often the other as well.
Sometimes I just write a bit too fast and create the wrong impression of what I actually meant.
The other thing might be he KNOWS the limits of Conjurer’s powers. He’s seen him cast, and he knows a great deal about magic. He DOESN’T know what Julie can do except fly around. She could be anything at this point, and politeness is the most responsible strategy until he has proof she’s worthy of contempt.
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Mechwarrior
Julie, you’re shouting at the wrong idiot.
Faust
Yes but he is the one most likely capable of helping.
ThatGuy
You shout at someone who can help or shout at someone who WILL screw up again… Also love the villain mage. Can we get a party swap for him even if he does nothing?
ByTheFarmstead
It is hard to take someone seriously who is dressed like a combination of hong kong phoey and Dr Fate. The helm just isn’t enough to save the outfit. I think the stuff is about to hit the fan, and deservedly so. I don’t really think this was primarily the guardian mage’s fault, it was a shield that LP probably would have attacked liek that on her own and puppet boy did NOT listen to objections.
Christopher
I always thought he looked like a Hugh Hefner-wanabee with Fates helmet.
kentda
Actually I’d trade him for the dumbass(neuronet) who was resposible for Phlo turning into a pile of … whatever first. Let Conjurer go and embarrass himself in front of a guy who most likely has a great deal more knowledge than he does.
As to Neuronet, if he still has more than one brain cell, he would be doing a quick exit stage left as once the wizard calms Julie down, he will potentially be the target of a three mile punch (you know, one hit, target flies three miles through the air).
xero
my take away from this story is all the guys who become team leaders are Huge Dicks
Lycanthromancer
[img]Moon Shadow.[/img]
Your argument is invalid.
Simon
She’s surrounded by idiots, but the one she’s shouting at is the one most likely to be able to answer the question… unless you think one of her companions has anything useful to contribute?
kentda
Notice that unlike Conjurer who he obvious held great disdain for, he referred to Julie as Young Lady. He is giving her some courtesy, which will probably quickly defuse her anger at him. Once she explains, I have a feeling that he may agree to help. Of course that will require that Conjurer lets him go. Then the onus is on him. Neuronet has already proven he needs to spend a good ten to twenty wearing stripes.
Simon
Yes, I noticed that… whatever else he might be, he has good manners. Which immediately makes him more worthy of her respect (and interest) than her supposed allies.
Ghostbear0
This is going to hurt and then we get to see Julie deal with feeding the wrong idiot his own arm.
rocjawcypher
Oh that is not the way to reassure someone. Also, did he turn LP into a piece of paper? otherwise where did that piece come from?
CF_Azaka
Maybe he drew a picture of Phlogiston and that’s what’s on the paper?
Hogan
Guess a certain DemiMage will soon learn how you can get answers and help out of stubborn guardian mages by issuing the RIGHT threats and pleas!
Yhelta
Unless I miss my guess, Phlogiston is the green haze at the bottom of panel 1
Wanderer
Well, *part* of her is that green mist…
Simon
That certainly seems to be the implication of fire-dude trying to keep her away from the spot…
Alex C
Its possible she is just trying to reform. That’s got to be a painful experience.
Lackey
I don’t know, Nitro the Exploding man always seemed to enjoy it.
Nightmask
That’s because Nitro was a psychopath who reveled in mass murder, even if his power caused him horrendous agony he’d still enjoy it just for the destruction and death he left behind. Phlogiston unfortunately doesn’t seem to have the range of secondary powers that make exploding an easy and harmless thing like Nitro had.
guys, don't worry
in the process of reforming. may or may not have skin when 84 was trying to look. may or may not have lost her super suit in the blast
Adahn
In a rather surprising display of competence, the Conjurer seems to have successfully sealed off Rastov’s powers (I guess he actually has something to back up that overly inflated ego).
Wonder if Julie would actually harm someone who’s incapable of defending himself?
Lycanthromancer
Even the derpiest of ponies has a special talent. This must be his.
kentda
I’d say its likely that the first hit stunned Rastov more than anything, which bought time for the shield to fully enclose him. While Conjurer was trying to bribe him with all sorts of knowledge he was probably busy prodding the field. I think that’s what any smart wizard who got snared in such a trap would be doing. In short, while he probably Can escape, he’s gladly playing the Waiting Game (like he already stated). It costs him nothing to stay ‘trapped’ for the moment.
Messenger
Phlogiston…
O_O
My question is:
Is Neuronet going to feel any kind of regret and remorse over what happened completely and take responsibility for his actions? Or is he going to somehow pass the buck and claim it wasn’t in any way his fault?
Quixotic James
I wonder if Neuronet is even conscious.
Shadur
Of course it’s not his fault, if Phlogiston had been more clear in explaining her powers and hadn’t shouted so much in his head while he was controlling her this wouldn’t have happened, and isn’t it just like a FISS to threaten to resort to violence just because someone got a little banged up?
Armitage
I know that you’re being facetious, but your comment reminded me of a Champions game that I was in once.
The PCs found an alien orb with time and space warping abilities. One of the PCs used it to teleport off alone to face the master villain who was coming to steal it. He got his butt handed to him and the villain took the orb. Later, rather than admitting that he shouldn’t have abandoned the team in an effort to hog the spotlight, he blamed one of the other players for not giving him the orb quickly enough for him to fully figure out how to use it.
Mechwarrior
I was in a Shadowrun game with someone like that.
After the third time he screwed up a mission with his stupidity, my troll put a round in the back of his head and turned him in for the bounty he’d acquired. Only time I’ve ever had another player’s stupidity actually pay off.
Pneumonica
The different ways I’ve seen poorly-thought-out Cyberpunk characters end like that are amazing. The solo who opens fire on someone before knowing who they are, the cop who thinks that he really can just order a crime boss around because he’s a cop, or the corporate who thinks everybody will take orders because he has money and backing… yeah. They end up being PVP kills.
Mechwarrior
My personal favorites are the annoying and stupid characters who take the Type “O” trait. That way you can always make a tidy sum selling their corpse to organleggers if they can’t take a hint.
cherub
Where is puppet boy through all of this?
pcj70
If he has any sense of self preservation at all, he is keeping out of one justifiably upset little girl’s line of sight.
Van
If he has any sense whatsoever, he is hiding very very well.
David Nuttall
I am hoping he is doubled up behind a rock, holding his gut after getting a almost-superhuman punch to his abs. More that likely, he is just hiding out behind the rock, realizing that that did not work out the way he planned.
Someguy
I’m hoping that whatever pain that Neuronet caused Phlogiston, he felt the full brunt of the backlash.
Messenger
Sadly, Someguy, that’s going to be poor justice if he doesn’t feel responsible for the fate of Phlogiston. He may even think any psychic backlash he suffered to be unfair to him!
Wanderer
Probably unconscious after being inside Phlogiston as she was blown apart. Not a pleasant experience, I should imagine.
luagha
It’s one of those things about FISS – never smart to make someone who can punch his fist through your chest really really mad.
roguebfl
New Plan, Let the Wookiee win
Van
I think the wookie would hold him still while she gets a little disgruntled.
Nodrog
Assuming Neuronet survives his upcoming little ‘talk’ with 84, I see him getting a cursed headband like the Principal had.
Rock
Well, that… that would be simply wonderful.
It might help if he’s peeled out of his enhancer-suit and the suit is subsequently destroyed in front of him, too.
kentda
You know, its also possible that without the Suit his powers are limited to nothing more than raising a tea cup or knowing that a person is rather annoyed. He could very well be lying about how strong his powers are without the Suit. He strikes me as the sort who would do just that.
Mechwarrior
It occurs to me that this egg might have a position being vacated before the end of this little adventure…
Zodo
So is anyone besides me wondering what it is 84 has in her hand?
Kolth
I realize that this is probably focusing on the wrong thing, but what is 84 holding exactly?
Alex C
That’s what I was thinking.
Moe Lane
It used to be a stone block. As soon as Julie finishes molding it around her fist, she’ll be using it to give SOMEBODY a Grimm’s Hello.
John
Stone doesn’t do that when squeezed like that. It shatters.
Moe Lane
Yes, but Julie is REALLY mad. Also, she can fly, shrug off a tank round, and leave fingerprints in titanium: allow me the minor amusement of imagining her turning a stone block into a set of silicon knuckles. 🙂
Chronobyte
Actually… I’m thinking Julie is about to pass the next test. So far she has displayed gentility (by treating boat gnome like a person), honesty and wisdom (by answering the stone guardians’ question) and perceptiveness )by being the first to notice the spacial loop). Now she demonstrates compassion by (apparently) being the only one who really cares what happened to phlogiston. Conjurer looked like he was very near to the explosion and must know what happened, but hasn’t even bothered to acknowledge that one of his “teammates” might be injured or dead.
Wanderer
To his credit, he’s been kind of busy making sure they weren’t going to get blasted/killed by Rastov once the smoke cleared.
Marianom
The neuronet guy is in the floor drooling and diying from the pain he feels from plogiston mind… unles the bad mage guy is talking to the three he bested and the plasma woman and the mind contrlo guy are dead… or this three are dead whit the mage and the other two are ok looking at a big crater…
Matt [in Middletown]
Julie, rearrange his face a bit.
That might get him to be more cooperative.
Use that doofus helmet, he deserves it.
guys, don't worry
what’d the poor guardian mage do?
Faust
Explosive defence shield spell?
With Respect
Innnnteresting.
Aaron, never stop writing.
guys, don't worry
nobody dies in this comic. he was concerned about the nudity aspect of R movies not the blood…her costume didn’t make it is all. just gotta wait for her to wake up
With Respect
-.-
I cannot dispute the logic of your thesis.
Rock
Interesting that, while Rastov (rightly) holds the Conjurer in disdain, he is visibly taken aback and resorts to polite language when he is shouted at by Julie / 84…
Adahn
While the Conjurer has him magically bound, he shows no intention of actually hurting Rastov, especially since Rastov still holds the key to their prison (or so he claims).
Julie, on the other hand, is visibly upset and is quite capable of harming him now that he is rendered vulnerable.
Rastov’s behavior is reasonable considering his circumstances.
kentda
Actually he is still invulnerable since he hasn’t finished his “term”. He’s just not mobile at the moment. Surprise him, stun him, snare him, yes, but hurt? He’s still protected from that.
So while Julie is not a threat, she is a ‘young lady’ that is quite obviously angry. So, polite language is used to calm her down while he can find out details on what has her so upset.
Adahn
Not exactly: Rastov’s protected by the egg from being “truly destroyed” (in his own words).
There is a lot of room between being invulnerable and being immortal, just ask Prometheus (the Titan from Greek mythology).
Mechwarrior
As Jafar said in the second Aladin movie, you’d be surprised what you can live through.
kentda
I think that is the very key phrase here. “Truly Destroyed”. Using the word invulnerable was a poor choice of words.
I’ll use an example. There was an incident in comics where Plasticman was literally blow apart, his parts scattered to the four winds. Over the next millenia he rebuilt himself, gathering up all his parts. This basically means he cannot be truly destroyed. How do you truly kill a man who can rebuild himself from chunks as small as your pinky? Of course such statements tend to have people finding a way around it.
So one can interpret his “Truly Destroyed” in several ways. Invulernable to harm, able to reform his body in spite of damage, regenerates from any serious wounds quickly. There are a number of ways one could look at the term truly destroyed. We of course don’t know exactly What it would take to Truly Destroy him.
As to immortality, most believe that a person who is immortal is invulnerable as well which is not automatically the case. They might be just as prone to death as everyone else is. They are just immune to the ravages of time in some shape or form.
cherub
just because someone is immortal does not mean they do not age. Look at the Book “The Misenchanted Sword”. The sword made the man immortal but he continued to age. Also Wolverine he aged just very very slowly.
kentda
Cherub, thank you for that information on the book.
I could talk a great deal about the matter as the concepts of both are so varied that one can believe one is often the other as well.
Sometimes I just write a bit too fast and create the wrong impression of what I actually meant.
Nobody
The other thing might be he KNOWS the limits of Conjurer’s powers. He’s seen him cast, and he knows a great deal about magic. He DOESN’T know what Julie can do except fly around. She could be anything at this point, and politeness is the most responsible strategy until he has proof she’s worthy of contempt.