Depends on the power-mimic, most of them in comics manage just fine copying anyone’s powers. The only power-mimic I’ve seen ignore powers that require practice or care (like teleportation) was the Exiles version of Mimic from Marvel and that was more to nerf him (otherwise he’d have been running around with half Magneto’s powers like his evil counterpart, or half of Phoenix).
Well, they got a mage that is currently focussing on some spell.
A fire user that might not be able to resist phlogistons powers.
Phlogistons who cannot control her power right now.
The villain, Neuronet and 84 are propably going to be okay.
I legitimately do not know. Suffering the death of a friend — even a friend for four panels — while linked to their mind is a classic of the genre.
It’s a bit.. dark for a child-oriented story, but even in the lightest and brightest of tales, ‘fine’ is not always good.
Rastov’s an illusionist, this might be illusion, and he has to be rugged to have lasted so long. Phloe is a grown up hero of great achievement and plausible survivability. The Eggverse isn’t the real world. There are ways and ways and ways for ‘fine’ to eventually be revealed. But dramatically?
Dramatically, “Not Fine” is quite justified.
Sticks
I would not say this comic is child-oriented. Child-centric, yes, but written for adults.
Phlogiston has said that she makes thing explode while in her plasma form. I suspect she does so by physically interacting with them–as seen in panel 2, where contact with her hand shredded the edge of Rastov’s hood. If so, she’s probably used to being at ground zero and not too much the worse for this boom.
Conjuror is probably somewhat protected by the shield; he might be shaken up, but likely not seriously harmed. Neuronet is far enough away that he, regrettably, probably isn’t hurt at all. (Yet.)
The real question is Rastov, and it depends on what he really is. If he’s just what he says–basically, a squishy wizard who was relying on the shield spell–then yes, things may have just gotten quite messy. However, he could also be something else in disguise, or even just a projection of one of the egg’s defenses/tests. If it’s testing for heroic traits, someone just failed. Badly.
With Respect
As I said. I have no idea. This is one of those moments were unlimited possibilities emerge from a single image. The aftermath is going to be interesting, no matter which comes about.
An illusionist really dead in a magic egg from an accidental explosion of a mind controlled energy manipulator who herself was consumed in the blast while mentally linked to 84, mere feet away from Conjurer and Firedrake, when the theme is how squishy everyone who isn’t FISS can be?
Really bad form treating 84 as nothing but a distraction, FISS or not (although at least he FINALLY used her super-hero ID and not something dismissive like ‘girl’). I also imagine what we see is the results of him losing his connection to her as her brain crossed the boundary of the force field and I might just have been wrong about no one getting hurt this early in the story.
I’m not sure we can really hold him (or the others) not saying ’84’ against them. We forget that we’ve had years of time to get used to calling Julie by her code name. These people have had, what, 20 minutes?
Except he manages to remember everyone else’s names just fine, outside of Phlogiston everyone refers to 84 in some dismissive fashion by not using her super-ID. Four new people to deal with and the only one he fails to use is 84’s and fails consistently, even when he dislikes the person.
Prairie Son
Except we have no idea how much these others have interacted before appearing in this issue. Maybe they attended one of the Nuclear Family’s barbecues or something.
We are assuming facts not in evidence, which should always be done with caution, lest we ignore real evidence.
Which was what makes it clear he’s intentionally dissing her by not using her hero ID, can’t claim to have forgotten someone’s super-ID when they have it right there on their uniform and it’s in plain English.
So, 84 was moving away from ground zero, and has that “I” going for her. Phlogiston, I hope, has some resistance to her own powers, if that was just her powers going out of control…
I don’t expect the guys to come out of this fiasco in anywhere near as good shape as the ladies. But unfortunately I expect Neuronet didn’t get hurt as badly as Conjurer and Firedrake.
Taking control of your team members without their consent isn’t a moral gray area, it’s just evil. Even more so when you use them as ‘diversions’. It’s fairly hard to use mind control powers without approaching the ?is this evil? area. Not sure how he made it to super hero status without finding out the hard way that people don’t like to feel helpless.
Legit uses of mind control without consent would be limited to something like the following:
a) Self defence (in the most immediate and urgent sense)
b) A person being out of their mind and unable to give consent; restrained for their own safety and that of those around them.
c) (Very briefly) to move someone out of the way of imminent danger.
None of which apply here, of course.
And I’m a tad worried that he may have kept his hero status by conveniently editing peoples’ memories.
A case could also be made if mind control were used to stop a conflict without harming anyway (for example, forcing a hostage taker to release the hostage and set his weapon down, allowing team mates to restrain him without needing to beat him up first), but it would be very tricky and extremely easy to misuse powers in this situation.
So, Phlogiston became material in the middle of a shield. She is either cut in half, or the field that keeps her together was interposed with the sheild, big bada boom, or both. Hopefully the chaos god wants to keep them alive, or offers their restoration as a favor to 84, because I can see all but 84 being turned to pink mist by this.
If Neuronet was a supervillain (or an evil person pretending to be a superhero), I’d say he was taking advantage of the situation to eliminate some of his competition.
I am so fed up with the recklessness, pettiness, arrogance and blatant disrespect The Conjuror and Neuronet have shown. Firedrake I’m giving the benefit of the doubt as just same rash idiot who basically still means well. I feel so sorry (and proud) for 84 and Phlo working hard and going through a lot of crap to do the right thing, to be heroes.
Specifically, I’m guessing Neuronet has done this sort of thing before- hijack someone to use their powers in a super-fight. If so, he should have at least known better than to just rush in. He should have checked the memories of the person he was mind-controlling to see the intricacies and full effects of their powers.
Accidents like that are the stuff that sets off comic book storylines like Marvel’s Civil War (or the PS238-verse’s Kid Powers’ twisting of reality when he’s not careful).
(That’s all praise for Aaron Williams’ writing and characterization.)
Think how unhealthy it will be for Neuronet if Phlogiston is injured, and 84 decides she needs to express to Neuronet her displeasure over Neuronet’s actions.
Given that PS238 definitely falls on the optimistic side of the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs Cynicism, I’m not worried about whether or no Phlo survives, though she is at quite a large risk of permanent impairment.
Neuronet, if he’s very very lucky, has only made an enemy of 84.
If he’s unlucky, he’s just made an enemy of a trickster god.
What happens when the trickster god decides that it’s no longer funny?
We’ve all suggested that maybe he’s testing them, not just on terms of their skill and power, but the Integrity of their character. What if the Eye itself has a ward around it that can only be bypassed by those with a true sense of Integrity and Worth?
So it could very well be that the only one who Can retrieve the Eye is someone who understands at a deep level what it means to be a Hero, or truly Wants to understand what it means.
So from what we’ve seen currently only 84 and Phlogiston are qualifying to meet those standards.
kentda
Unless the others experience an epiphany and do something like a Heel-Face Turn except instead of Evil to Good its absolute jackass/tool to someone who understands what it means to be a hero.
Hey, the only one we have good reason to believe doesn’t would be Neuronet. The others, Phlogiston and 84 excepted, just seem to have no idea how to be polite/classy.
The_Rippy_One
Now wait a bit – Fire Dingbat may also fit the description, and just monumentally sucks on execution – if the emphasis is “tries” and “wants,” he seems to pass. His jerk-ness seems more unthinking than malicious, and he might feel bad, and agree to try to do better, if someone pointed out what he’s doing wrong.
kentda
Rippy, my apologies, you’re right. It’s too easy to forget about Firedrake with how front and center Neuronet and Conjurer seem to be.
While Conjurer’s dickery has only been demonstrated by what he’s said, Neuronet has demonstrated he’s a tool / jackass both by what he’s said and what he’s done.
Firedrake … he comes across more and more as the unthinking simple sort. He comes across as a jackass as a result at points, but you are right, he’s doesn’t seem to be trying to be one.
When Julie really focuses, I’ll bet that she can shake off Neuronet the next time that he tries something like this. Remember that she once knocked out a telepath with their own psychic shackles.
If Phlogiston has actually died, Neuronet has done more than “gotten her killed”. He KILLED her. He pushed her into the situation, he was warned beforehand her powers were not easy to control, then he threw her in in such a way that if he lost control of those powers, she would *explode*(assuming that is what happened).
I can only hope, if that is actually what went down, that this is all happening in a virtual reality and at the conclusion we find that no time has passed and that Phlogiston is fine. I don’t fancy being Neuronet in that situation, either.
No fair rewriting Aaron’s script, thanks. Neuronet seems to have thought he could co-ordinate 84 and Phlogiston into a fight-ending double-team. Less risk to everyone involved. Unfortunately, he didn’t check the magical force field for anti-psychic effects, much as he started bragging before when his entire team combined couldn’t even find where Veles’ mind was located. (Being a deity means a fleshly body is essentially a puppet; Veles is no more that body than Mxyzptlk is really a short man wearing a bowler hat.) End result: His control of Phlogiston is disrupted as she passes through the field, resulting in exactly what she’s been warning everyone about since this started. Her powers are very effective at going BOOM in large and destructive ways, and it’s a good thing for everyone but her (and Rastov, of course) that she was contained by Rastov’s shield when she detonated.
I have a feeling 84 and Phlogiston aren’t the only ones who are about to tear Neuronet a new one.
121 thoughts on “2015-01-21”
Wanderer
Oh, dear… and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you never run someone else’s powers without fully understanding them.
Torn
A lesson that both telepaths and power-mimics everywhere could really stand to learn!
Nightmask
Depends on the power-mimic, most of them in comics manage just fine copying anyone’s powers. The only power-mimic I’ve seen ignore powers that require practice or care (like teleportation) was the Exiles version of Mimic from Marvel and that was more to nerf him (otherwise he’d have been running around with half Magneto’s powers like his evil counterpart, or half of Phoenix).
The Aussie Bloke
I think bubble-head is about get a dressing down from the little girl.
Nobody
They will be LUCKY if that’s the worst that happens. KA-THOOM looks decidedly unsafe for all involved…
Faust
I am guessing three dead. Then again, dead has never happened in this comic before.
Allan Mills
You mean aside from when Ambriel died? She did get better admittedly.
enderlord99
Dead has happened in this comic before, it just un-happened afterwards. You know, with Ambriel?
Adahn
Granted he was a villain, but I don’t think Dr. Irons survived the helicopter crash.
Van
But was he technically alive anyways?
Nobody
of course! He was made of plant matter at the time. IIRC anyway.
Christopher
Well, they got a mage that is currently focussing on some spell.
A fire user that might not be able to resist phlogistons powers.
Phlogistons who cannot control her power right now.
The villain, Neuronet and 84 are propably going to be okay.
Horatio Von Becker
If by that you mean she very thoroughly the suit that makes him more than a psychic card reader, then hopefully so.
ByTheFarmstead
very thoroughly what?
David Nuttall
“Removed”? Leave the guy in his underwear.
Horatio Von Becker
I think I meant destroyed, but don’t remember for certain. How annoying.
David Nuttall
By dressing down, you mean a kick to the shin that makes him feel she nearly broke it, right?
The Aussie Bloke
“Nearly”?
Van
How about having him turn around, bend over like he is touching his toes, and she punts him into the loop around for the next several days?
The Aussie Bloke
Ooooh, nice
With Respect
Innnteresting.
The next few panels just headed very, very much unlike anyplace PS238 has ever gone.
Horatio Von Becker
They’re probably fine. Right? Right?
With Respect
Fine?
I legitimately do not know. Suffering the death of a friend — even a friend for four panels — while linked to their mind is a classic of the genre.
It’s a bit.. dark for a child-oriented story, but even in the lightest and brightest of tales, ‘fine’ is not always good.
Rastov’s an illusionist, this might be illusion, and he has to be rugged to have lasted so long. Phloe is a grown up hero of great achievement and plausible survivability. The Eggverse isn’t the real world. There are ways and ways and ways for ‘fine’ to eventually be revealed. But dramatically?
Dramatically, “Not Fine” is quite justified.
Sticks
I would not say this comic is child-oriented. Child-centric, yes, but written for adults.
Balance
Phlogiston has said that she makes thing explode while in her plasma form. I suspect she does so by physically interacting with them–as seen in panel 2, where contact with her hand shredded the edge of Rastov’s hood. If so, she’s probably used to being at ground zero and not too much the worse for this boom.
Conjuror is probably somewhat protected by the shield; he might be shaken up, but likely not seriously harmed. Neuronet is far enough away that he, regrettably, probably isn’t hurt at all. (Yet.)
The real question is Rastov, and it depends on what he really is. If he’s just what he says–basically, a squishy wizard who was relying on the shield spell–then yes, things may have just gotten quite messy. However, he could also be something else in disguise, or even just a projection of one of the egg’s defenses/tests. If it’s testing for heroic traits, someone just failed. Badly.
With Respect
As I said. I have no idea. This is one of those moments were unlimited possibilities emerge from a single image. The aftermath is going to be interesting, no matter which comes about.
An illusionist really dead in a magic egg from an accidental explosion of a mind controlled energy manipulator who herself was consumed in the blast while mentally linked to 84, mere feet away from Conjurer and Firedrake, when the theme is how squishy everyone who isn’t FISS can be?
I have no idea where this goes.
Exciting, isn’t it?
=Tamar
I wonder… Phlogiston’s colors are the same as that jewel on his staff.
Horatio Von Becker
If her powers are actually magical, this could get interesting.
Nightmask
Really bad form treating 84 as nothing but a distraction, FISS or not (although at least he FINALLY used her super-hero ID and not something dismissive like ‘girl’). I also imagine what we see is the results of him losing his connection to her as her brain crossed the boundary of the force field and I might just have been wrong about no one getting hurt this early in the story.
Van
I think at this point everyone should be considering how Julie aka 84 is going to hurt him for doing this to her and Phlogiston.
Prairie Son
I’m not sure we can really hold him (or the others) not saying ’84’ against them. We forget that we’ve had years of time to get used to calling Julie by her code name. These people have had, what, 20 minutes?
Nightmask
Except he manages to remember everyone else’s names just fine, outside of Phlogiston everyone refers to 84 in some dismissive fashion by not using her super-ID. Four new people to deal with and the only one he fails to use is 84’s and fails consistently, even when he dislikes the person.
Prairie Son
Except we have no idea how much these others have interacted before appearing in this issue. Maybe they attended one of the Nuclear Family’s barbecues or something.
We are assuming facts not in evidence, which should always be done with caution, lest we ignore real evidence.
=Tamar
Her name is on her suit in large clear numbers. The others aren’t wearing nametags.
Van
Sure they are: Jerk, Dirtbag, and Schmuck. Apply them which of the three you choose.
Enoon
I hope they’re interchangeable. I’m horrible with names
Nightmask
Which was what makes it clear he’s intentionally dissing her by not using her hero ID, can’t claim to have forgotten someone’s super-ID when they have it right there on their uniform and it’s in plain English.
Van
Which is why we shall call him “douchebag”.
Foradain
So, 84 was moving away from ground zero, and has that “I” going for her. Phlogiston, I hope, has some resistance to her own powers, if that was just her powers going out of control…
I don’t expect the guys to come out of this fiasco in anywhere near as good shape as the ladies. But unfortunately I expect Neuronet didn’t get hurt as badly as Conjurer and Firedrake.
Yet. ^_^
CF_Azaka
Taking control of your team members without their consent isn’t a moral gray area, it’s just evil. Even more so when you use them as ‘diversions’. It’s fairly hard to use mind control powers without approaching the ?is this evil? area. Not sure how he made it to super hero status without finding out the hard way that people don’t like to feel helpless.
Paddy
Legit uses of mind control without consent would be limited to something like the following:
a) Self defence (in the most immediate and urgent sense)
b) A person being out of their mind and unable to give consent; restrained for their own safety and that of those around them.
c) (Very briefly) to move someone out of the way of imminent danger.
None of which apply here, of course.
And I’m a tad worried that he may have kept his hero status by conveniently editing peoples’ memories.
Mechwarrior
A case could also be made if mind control were used to stop a conflict without harming anyway (for example, forcing a hostage taker to release the hostage and set his weapon down, allowing team mates to restrain him without needing to beat him up first), but it would be very tricky and extremely easy to misuse powers in this situation.
Van
Then he has blown it totally at this point.
Robert S.
So, Phlogiston became material in the middle of a shield. She is either cut in half, or the field that keeps her together was interposed with the sheild, big bada boom, or both. Hopefully the chaos god wants to keep them alive, or offers their restoration as a favor to 84, because I can see all but 84 being turned to pink mist by this.
Rens
Who wants to bet that Neuronet’s going to try blaming any casualties on 84 and Phlogiston’s inability to do as he told them to?
Van
He will certainly be able to blame them for the headache they both intend to beat into him for this.
DreamPen
If Neuronet was a supervillain (or an evil person pretending to be a superhero), I’d say he was taking advantage of the situation to eliminate some of his competition.
I am so fed up with the recklessness, pettiness, arrogance and blatant disrespect The Conjuror and Neuronet have shown. Firedrake I’m giving the benefit of the doubt as just same rash idiot who basically still means well. I feel so sorry (and proud) for 84 and Phlo working hard and going through a lot of crap to do the right thing, to be heroes.
Specifically, I’m guessing Neuronet has done this sort of thing before- hijack someone to use their powers in a super-fight. If so, he should have at least known better than to just rush in. He should have checked the memories of the person he was mind-controlling to see the intricacies and full effects of their powers.
Accidents like that are the stuff that sets off comic book storylines like Marvel’s Civil War (or the PS238-verse’s Kid Powers’ twisting of reality when he’s not careful).
(That’s all praise for Aaron Williams’ writing and characterization.)
I just hope to see a happy ending for this story.
TomT
That did not look healthy for anyone involved. 84 is out of the immediate blast radius but …
Van
Think how unhealthy it will be for Neuronet if Phlogiston is injured, and 84 decides she needs to express to Neuronet her displeasure over Neuronet’s actions.
Mechwarrior
Given that PS238 definitely falls on the optimistic side of the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs Cynicism, I’m not worried about whether or no Phlo survives, though she is at quite a large risk of permanent impairment.
Neuronet, if he’s very very lucky, has only made an enemy of 84.
If he’s unlucky, he’s just made an enemy of a trickster god.
What happens when the trickster god decides that it’s no longer funny?
aqua
he plays a very long very dark game
Mechwarrior
Exactly.
kentda
We’ve all suggested that maybe he’s testing them, not just on terms of their skill and power, but the Integrity of their character. What if the Eye itself has a ward around it that can only be bypassed by those with a true sense of Integrity and Worth?
So it could very well be that the only one who Can retrieve the Eye is someone who understands at a deep level what it means to be a Hero, or truly Wants to understand what it means.
Nightmask
So from what we’ve seen currently only 84 and Phlogiston are qualifying to meet those standards.
kentda
Unless the others experience an epiphany and do something like a Heel-Face Turn except instead of Evil to Good its absolute jackass/tool to someone who understands what it means to be a hero.
Horatio Von Becker
Hey, the only one we have good reason to believe doesn’t would be Neuronet. The others, Phlogiston and 84 excepted, just seem to have no idea how to be polite/classy.
The_Rippy_One
Now wait a bit – Fire Dingbat may also fit the description, and just monumentally sucks on execution – if the emphasis is “tries” and “wants,” he seems to pass. His jerk-ness seems more unthinking than malicious, and he might feel bad, and agree to try to do better, if someone pointed out what he’s doing wrong.
kentda
Rippy, my apologies, you’re right. It’s too easy to forget about Firedrake with how front and center Neuronet and Conjurer seem to be.
While Conjurer’s dickery has only been demonstrated by what he’s said, Neuronet has demonstrated he’s a tool / jackass both by what he’s said and what he’s done.
Firedrake … he comes across more and more as the unthinking simple sort. He comes across as a jackass as a result at points, but you are right, he’s doesn’t seem to be trying to be one.
Van
Think how Neuronet will get to enjoy a few years as a frog, in a elementary school for children with super powers.
Debra Hanson
Hopefully at Praetorian Academy instead of PS238. The Headmaster and his teachers are not as much into making the students “play nice.”
Van
Either one would not be a fun experience. Imagine a frog with Wolverine’s healing powers getting dissected all the time.
John Whiting
[shaking head] “Telepaths. They never knock before entering.”
Van
They do after someone beats some manners into them.
Kolth
So…. umm…. yeah. I was angry enough with the last update. But this….
There will be a reckoning.
KMorisato
When Julie really focuses, I’ll bet that she can shake off Neuronet the next time that he tries something like this. Remember that she once knocked out a telepath with their own psychic shackles.
Mechwarrior
She needs to add the Alan Parsons Project to her playlist.
Not just Eye in the Sky, either. I Wouldn’t Want To Be Like You should be there was well.
Leo Orionis
“What? Of COURSE there’s a risk, but” I’m way over here and I’M not in any danger, so do what I tell you, girl.
I was already pissed off, but now he might have gotten Phlogiston killed. Payback time!
CraigR
If Phlogiston has actually died, Neuronet has done more than “gotten her killed”. He KILLED her. He pushed her into the situation, he was warned beforehand her powers were not easy to control, then he threw her in in such a way that if he lost control of those powers, she would *explode*(assuming that is what happened).
I can only hope, if that is actually what went down, that this is all happening in a virtual reality and at the conclusion we find that no time has passed and that Phlogiston is fine. I don’t fancy being Neuronet in that situation, either.
Wanderer
No fair rewriting Aaron’s script, thanks. Neuronet seems to have thought he could co-ordinate 84 and Phlogiston into a fight-ending double-team. Less risk to everyone involved. Unfortunately, he didn’t check the magical force field for anti-psychic effects, much as he started bragging before when his entire team combined couldn’t even find where Veles’ mind was located. (Being a deity means a fleshly body is essentially a puppet; Veles is no more that body than Mxyzptlk is really a short man wearing a bowler hat.) End result: His control of Phlogiston is disrupted as she passes through the field, resulting in exactly what she’s been warning everyone about since this started. Her powers are very effective at going BOOM in large and destructive ways, and it’s a good thing for everyone but her (and Rastov, of course) that she was contained by Rastov’s shield when she detonated.
I have a feeling 84 and Phlogiston aren’t the only ones who are about to tear Neuronet a new one.
kentda