And everyone in the room has the same problem. Now come the question that everyone else is starting to wounder… Will 84 and Tyler have a relationship? (Yes we all heard the guess and seen the Tyler save/give confidence to 84.)
The timeline currently extends fifteen years into the future, as seen when Tyler made a call on his cell phone to the Revenant’s hotline while in the Castle Beyond Time and Space. While we don’t know what happens between now and fifteen years from now, I’d like to think that Moonshadow goes on to lead a team of teenage heroes, ala the Teen Titans, of which 84, Emerald Gauntlet, Guardian Angel, the Flea, Zodon and one other character are the charter members. (At least that’s how the fan fiction the Ice King keeps e-mailing me goes.)
Also, I see Lyle possibly providing the means, letting them use something like the device he uses to take breaks to um, get to know each other better. (Mostly needed, because without it, Moonshadow’s powers will keep the plot moving too quickly for them to have time to have a single real conversation. But once they’re safely off-panel, 84’s powers would otherwise put a pretty harsh limit on how far things can progress without injury.)
Ow. Dax-Ra’s blatant racism is pretty harsh to dump on a nine year old. It doesn’t help that 84 used to be judged by her classmates (and is still judged by society, or at least the part of society that rates superheroes on the internet) by the fact that her power set is so common. Of course she doesn’t know that Moonshadow deals with the same stigma from his own parents.
Seriously, Ultima and Sovereign are the worst parents in the world. Atlas may have gone through a messy divorce, but he and Lisa still love Ron. 84’s dad may dislike the Finsters in the Nuclear Family, but he encourages Julie to follow her dream of being a hero. Heck, Malphast’s parents can’t be seen hugging in public by the other beings of Chaos and Order, but they are doting parents who want the best for Malphast (if not for humanity). Even Murphy’s “sister” makes better “parenting” choices, and she is the figurative embodiment of Mortality.
Okay, enough venting about Sovereign and Ultima “Powers” Marlocke. Lord Dax-Ra is not subtle in his racism; he hates Argosian “commoners”, as will be seen in the next few pages. He hates the Emerald Ones (the feeling’s probably mutual). And yet 84 can’t just punch him because of diplomatic protocol. Ain’t politics grand?
I figured it’s less racism and more elitism. It’s not just that he half *gasp* alien, but he’s not nobility! Scandelous!
Still, Dax is racist as well. Though when you can fly and have super-strength, it must be hard not to look down on other species which, on the whole, can’t. Not saying it’s right, just that it’s probably pretty easy.
Ron has the ultimate nobility through his father. It never used to matter who the mother was; the idea that it does, oddly enough, almost makes that culture seem slightly less sexist.
Can you name even one hero who had a “good” family or upbringing? The heroes of ancient Greece were invariably orphans or raised by single mothers – a storytelling tradition which continues to this day (with the occasional broken home thrown in for good measure).
Tyler is effectively an orphan. His parents dumped him in boarding school, planning to ignore him until he became “interesting” (i.e., developed Powers). Now they’ve replaced him with Toby. If Tradition holds, this bodes well for Tyler… or at least for his biographers.
There’s “bad parenting”, there’s “really bad parenting” and then there’s “Ancient Hellenic Parenting”. Ultima and Sovereign have nothing on the Dodecatheon when it comes to benign neglect.
While the Marlockes are neglectful of their parental responsibilities, the good news is that the PS238 ‘verse is full of mature adults like Alfred Cranston who recognize that kids put in Tyler’s situation need a mentor. And judging by the snapshot of fifteen years into Tyler’s future that we got, The Revenant and Moonshadow are going to be a dynamic duo for quite some time.
Also, most of the kids at PS238 don’t come from dysfunctional homes. Ambriel, Kevin, Poly Mer, Alejandro, Julie, Bernard and Victor Von Fogg all have parents who are happily married. Malphast’s parents would probably love to get legally married, but theology keeps getting in the way. The kids with the least functional families are Ron (parents are divorced), Prospero (parents sent him to Earth to defeat the Septo invasion), “Murphy” (he is an abstract concept diminished by a cosmic battle against eldritch forces) and Zodon (his parents are [SPOILER]). Most of the kids are relatively well adjusted, from two parent homes. Ron and Tyler are the ones who really have family troubles.
Actually, we don’t KNOW if Prospero’s family is dysfunctional. We don’t know how old he is, or if he’s an adult of his people, and you can’t judge based on how the human adults react to a being smaller than them. Pro’s at PS238 because…well…Herschel and Cranston wanted him to stay (and their reasons were logically sound). What better place would allow an alien to be taught about our world, if not a school geared towards children? It’s the same principle as teaching English to adults in non-English countries; you don’t give college-level books to someone who barely knows the alphabet.
Prospero was MORE than able to handle the invaders. He wasn’t unprepared mentally, emotionally, or developmentally. He was going to blow up Earth, if he had to (and the way the method was described, the implication was that Prospero would die with us), despite having friends and acceptance here — that’s a decision an adult would make, and reason out the ethics and morals of. So let’s not insult Prospero’s family. We don’t have any evidence to base a conclusion on.
The PS238 sourcebook states outright that Prospero is a child, and that he got sent into the field is a sign of how hard the Septos are pressing his people. The implications are that there are more Septos fleets out there somewhere.
Similar comments about Murphy. They’re not necessarily a child, they’re a splintered being of unspecified age. It’s just this splinter is a bit child like and was directed to PS238 by something or other. I have a suspicion if this ever gets far enough along for Murphy to find all of their parts, we’ll find that they’re really older than dirt, or at least old enough to qualify according to the thus named tvtropes page.
Tyler probably does know that 84 is referring to her own feelings of inadequacy and the conflicts in the extended Finster family. But 84 doesn’t know that Moonshadow is Tyler, and she probably doesn’t know about Sovereign and Ultima’s thoughts about “normals”.
Well the world is essentually just a world run by FISS, FISS are basically human (well superhuman), they probably have near identical gene pools or at least base ancestors. A lot of superhero settings do cross species compatiability.
I thought they covered this when explaining the wizards? If people had superpowers durring the dark ages then it stands to reason there would be powers that could replicate modern technological counterparts.
The ability to make a door between two universes or parallel dimensions is nothing to the likes of THOR and the double rainbow bridge he shares with the ponies of canterlot.
The same way that Sarek and Amanda were genetically compatible. Or Princess Kor’iander and Richard Grayson in some possible futures (that will never come to pass, thanks a lot nu52). Or Clark and Lois in some other possible futures (that may or may not come to pass, thanks again nu52). Or Lwaxana Troi and her husband. Or Elrond and Arwen’s human mother. Or Arwen and Aragorn. Or Tanis Half-Elven’s parents. Or Gabrielle Aderre and the Gentleman Caller. Or Gabrielle Aderre and Matton. And that’s not even getting into Zeus; that guy couldn’t keep his toga on for anything without a Y chromosome.
My point is that there are many examples in science fiction and fantasy of members of different humanoid species interbreeding. Ul-Ron Peterson and Lisa Larson are merely playing on that trope. (As do Malphast’s parents, in a different way.)
If you read the original myths, you’d know that he couldn’t keep it in his toga for several people (i)with(/i) a Y chromosome either. Look up Ganymede(sp?) his “cup-bearer”.
I just noticed Dax is not even making eye contact with Julie, he’s literally looking over her. She had to raise her hand to get his monologing attention…
Keep an eye on Dax… He’s gonna be trouble, methinks.
Uh oh can see trouble ahead for Dax!
Moonshadow is looking!!!
Oh boy why do I get the idea Moonshadow is about to branch out his fan club?
Poor Tyler.
And everyone in the room has the same problem. Now come the question that everyone else is starting to wounder… Will 84 and Tyler have a relationship? (Yes we all heard the guess and seen the Tyler save/give confidence to 84.)
I wasn’t thinking of that at all. Seriously, thay can’t be older than nine. Why through romance in to the already delicate situation?
They’re in elementary school. The timeline will never progress far enough for dating to be an issue.
The timeline currently extends fifteen years into the future, as seen when Tyler made a call on his cell phone to the Revenant’s hotline while in the Castle Beyond Time and Space. While we don’t know what happens between now and fifteen years from now, I’d like to think that Moonshadow goes on to lead a team of teenage heroes, ala the Teen Titans, of which 84, Emerald Gauntlet, Guardian Angel, the Flea, Zodon and one other character are the charter members. (At least that’s how the fan fiction the Ice King keeps e-mailing me goes.)
Also, I see Lyle possibly providing the means, letting them use something like the device he uses to take breaks to um, get to know each other better. (Mostly needed, because without it, Moonshadow’s powers will keep the plot moving too quickly for them to have time to have a single real conversation. But once they’re safely off-panel, 84’s powers would otherwise put a pretty harsh limit on how far things can progress without injury.)
Ow. Dax-Ra’s blatant racism is pretty harsh to dump on a nine year old. It doesn’t help that 84 used to be judged by her classmates (and is still judged by society, or at least the part of society that rates superheroes on the internet) by the fact that her power set is so common. Of course she doesn’t know that Moonshadow deals with the same stigma from his own parents.
Seriously, Ultima and Sovereign are the worst parents in the world. Atlas may have gone through a messy divorce, but he and Lisa still love Ron. 84’s dad may dislike the Finsters in the Nuclear Family, but he encourages Julie to follow her dream of being a hero. Heck, Malphast’s parents can’t be seen hugging in public by the other beings of Chaos and Order, but they are doting parents who want the best for Malphast (if not for humanity). Even Murphy’s “sister” makes better “parenting” choices, and she is the figurative embodiment of Mortality.
Okay, enough venting about Sovereign and Ultima “Powers” Marlocke. Lord Dax-Ra is not subtle in his racism; he hates Argosian “commoners”, as will be seen in the next few pages. He hates the Emerald Ones (the feeling’s probably mutual). And yet 84 can’t just punch him because of diplomatic protocol. Ain’t politics grand?
I figured it’s less racism and more elitism. It’s not just that he half *gasp* alien, but he’s not nobility! Scandelous!
Still, Dax is racist as well. Though when you can fly and have super-strength, it must be hard not to look down on other species which, on the whole, can’t. Not saying it’s right, just that it’s probably pretty easy.
Ron has the ultimate nobility through his father. It never used to matter who the mother was; the idea that it does, oddly enough, almost makes that culture seem slightly less sexist.
No, it’s racism. Wait till next issue and you’ll realize just how racist (and classist) Dax-Ra is.
Can you name even one hero who had a “good” family or upbringing? The heroes of ancient Greece were invariably orphans or raised by single mothers – a storytelling tradition which continues to this day (with the occasional broken home thrown in for good measure).
Tyler is effectively an orphan. His parents dumped him in boarding school, planning to ignore him until he became “interesting” (i.e., developed Powers). Now they’ve replaced him with Toby. If Tradition holds, this bodes well for Tyler… or at least for his biographers.
There’s “bad parenting”, there’s “really bad parenting” and then there’s “Ancient Hellenic Parenting”. Ultima and Sovereign have nothing on the Dodecatheon when it comes to benign neglect.
While the Marlockes are neglectful of their parental responsibilities, the good news is that the PS238 ‘verse is full of mature adults like Alfred Cranston who recognize that kids put in Tyler’s situation need a mentor. And judging by the snapshot of fifteen years into Tyler’s future that we got, The Revenant and Moonshadow are going to be a dynamic duo for quite some time.
Also, most of the kids at PS238 don’t come from dysfunctional homes. Ambriel, Kevin, Poly Mer, Alejandro, Julie, Bernard and Victor Von Fogg all have parents who are happily married. Malphast’s parents would probably love to get legally married, but theology keeps getting in the way. The kids with the least functional families are Ron (parents are divorced), Prospero (parents sent him to Earth to defeat the Septo invasion), “Murphy” (he is an abstract concept diminished by a cosmic battle against eldritch forces) and Zodon (his parents are [SPOILER]). Most of the kids are relatively well adjusted, from two parent homes. Ron and Tyler are the ones who really have family troubles.
Actually, we don’t KNOW if Prospero’s family is dysfunctional. We don’t know how old he is, or if he’s an adult of his people, and you can’t judge based on how the human adults react to a being smaller than them. Pro’s at PS238 because…well…Herschel and Cranston wanted him to stay (and their reasons were logically sound). What better place would allow an alien to be taught about our world, if not a school geared towards children? It’s the same principle as teaching English to adults in non-English countries; you don’t give college-level books to someone who barely knows the alphabet.
Prospero was MORE than able to handle the invaders. He wasn’t unprepared mentally, emotionally, or developmentally. He was going to blow up Earth, if he had to (and the way the method was described, the implication was that Prospero would die with us), despite having friends and acceptance here — that’s a decision an adult would make, and reason out the ethics and morals of. So let’s not insult Prospero’s family. We don’t have any evidence to base a conclusion on.
Oh, Chris brought up the same points I did… better!
While Prospero is small, do we KNOW that he’s a child? That could be the adult size of Prospero’s race.
The PS238 sourcebook states outright that Prospero is a child, and that he got sent into the field is a sign of how hard the Septos are pressing his people. The implications are that there are more Septos fleets out there somewhere.
Similar comments about Murphy. They’re not necessarily a child, they’re a splintered being of unspecified age. It’s just this splinter is a bit child like and was directed to PS238 by something or other. I have a suspicion if this ever gets far enough along for Murphy to find all of their parts, we’ll find that they’re really older than dirt, or at least old enough to qualify according to the thus named tvtropes page.
Their both referring to themselves… But neither one knows it.
Tyler probably does know that 84 is referring to her own feelings of inadequacy and the conflicts in the extended Finster family. But 84 doesn’t know that Moonshadow is Tyler, and she probably doesn’t know about Sovereign and Ultima’s thoughts about “normals”.
I just wonder how the members of two different species are genetically compatible. Maybe Argonaut’s like a liger?
Well the world is essentually just a world run by FISS, FISS are basically human (well superhuman), they probably have near identical gene pools or at least base ancestors. A lot of superhero settings do cross species compatiability.
I thought they covered this when explaining the wizards? If people had superpowers durring the dark ages then it stands to reason there would be powers that could replicate modern technological counterparts.
The ability to make a door between two universes or parallel dimensions is nothing to the likes of THOR and the double rainbow bridge he shares with the ponies of canterlot.
The same way that Sarek and Amanda were genetically compatible. Or Princess Kor’iander and Richard Grayson in some possible futures (that will never come to pass, thanks a lot nu52). Or Clark and Lois in some other possible futures (that may or may not come to pass, thanks again nu52). Or Lwaxana Troi and her husband. Or Elrond and Arwen’s human mother. Or Arwen and Aragorn. Or Tanis Half-Elven’s parents. Or Gabrielle Aderre and the Gentleman Caller. Or Gabrielle Aderre and Matton. And that’s not even getting into Zeus; that guy couldn’t keep his toga on for anything without a Y chromosome.
My point is that there are many examples in science fiction and fantasy of members of different humanoid species interbreeding. Ul-Ron Peterson and Lisa Larson are merely playing on that trope. (As do Malphast’s parents, in a different way.)
If you read the original myths, you’d know that he couldn’t keep it in his toga for several people (i)with(/i) a Y chromosome either. Look up Ganymede(sp?) his “cup-bearer”.
I just noticed Dax is not even making eye contact with Julie, he’s literally looking over her. She had to raise her hand to get his monologing attention…